Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear - Page 6

weateallthepies · 09-20-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TGS

But do you live you life as though there isn't a god or as though there is? If it's the former then, for all practical purposes, you are asserting that there isn't a god, (with, of course, the proviso, that you may turn out to be wrong. In that sense your "knowledge" that there isn't a god is contingent, just like all other empirical knowledge).

I just live my life, I'm not sure what I need to do to live as if there isn't a god.

I don't worship or pray or go to any kind of church but it doesn't really cross my mind.

Is a Christian asserting a belief in there being no Vishnu by not worshipping him?

WT Sharpe · 09-20-2010, 10:02 AM

The only difference between an atheist and a monotheist is that the monotheist believes in one more god than the atheist. Both are atheists in regard to all other gods.

Tom Wood · 09-20-2010, 10:05 AM

No hits or bullet biting. I started out answering 'don't know' about the existence of god.

The question 'Is there a god?' usually means do you believe in a god of one of the organized religions.

That's a completely different question from 'Is there an intelligent force at work in the universe?' which is really the more interesting question. It's also one that is subject to scientific scrutiny.

ardeegee · 09-20-2010, 12:23 PM

A new blog:

http://atheistparasites.wordpress.com/

thrawn_aj · 09-20-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ardeegee

Cakeist: That receipt is a lie engineered by The Custard.

*choke*
New keyboard. You. Owe me.

Are you related to that old Greek guy by any chance?

thrawn_aj · 09-20-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Personally, I think that if this Universe has or had a creator, the creator was more of an experimental scientist than an all-knowing and all-powerful deity, for the Universe seems to be more in the nature of an ongoing experiment rather than a finished and perfected work.

I kinda like that idea

. If that was how mainstream religion viewed the matter, I doubt that atheists would even bother to write books. However, as an experimental physicist, this idea scares me just a little bit

(maybe it just has to do with my band-aid consumption

)

terrazoids · 09-20-2010, 01:07 PM

Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved! And how much more proof do you need. God created this universe and humanity. Theres no conflict between science and God. Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff. There may be details of some religions that are out of date with what we know to be likely true but to deny the existence of God is a dangerous step that eventually allows people to throw off morality. Obviously this leads to evil actions, and thus straight to .... HELL. And its no joke people. We don't even understand the meaning of burning in hell, so stay with God, thats all you have to do and throw off ridiculous word games.

I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

terrazoids · 09-20-2010, 01:09 PM

Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved! And how much more proof do you need. God created this universe and humanity. Theres no conflict between science and God. Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff. There may be details of some religions that are out of date with what we know to be likely true but to deny the existence of God is a dangerous step that eventually allows people to throw off morality. Obviously this leads to evil actions, and thus straight to .... HELL. And its no joke people. We don't even understand the meaning of burning in hell, so stay with God, thats all you have to do and throw off ridiculous word games.

I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

thrawn_aj · 09-20-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by terrazoids

Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved!
I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

Reason # 21242 why people like Dawkins feel the need to write a book - concern trolling

. And unless you claim to be a telepath, the underlined statement above makes me chuckle.

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Originally Posted by terrazoids

Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff.

I'm afraid not. But thanks for playing

. If nothing else, we have a living example of what ardeegee was talking about.

weateallthepies · 09-20-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by terrazoids

Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved! And how much more proof do you need. God created this universe and humanity. Theres no conflict between science and God. Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff. There may be details of some religions that are out of date with what we know to be likely true but to deny the existence of God is a dangerous step that eventually allows people to throw off morality. Obviously this leads to evil actions, and thus straight to .... HELL. And its no joke people. We don't even understand the meaning of burning in hell, so stay with God, thats all you have to do and throw off ridiculous word games.

I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

I find it infinitly more concerning that you think people would only have morals because of their belief in god.

recluse · 09-20-2010, 01:29 PM

Ardeegee is the reason most people have a problem admitting they are atheists.

terrazoids at least had the decency not to be intentionally offensive.

kindlekitten · 09-20-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thrawn_aj

Reason # 21242 why people like Dawkins feel the need to write a book - concern trolling

. And unless you claim to be a telepath, the underlined statement above makes me chuckle.

I'm afraid not. But thanks for playing

. If nothing else, we have a living example of what ardeegee was talking about.

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Originally Posted by weateallthepies

I find it infinitly more concerning that you think people would only have morals because of their belief in god.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that terrazoids was being completely tongue in cheek in that post. I think. maybe...

weateallthepies · 09-20-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that terrazoids was being completely tongue in cheek in that post. I think. maybe...

The thought crossed my mind but I wasn't entirely sure.

HarryT · 09-20-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by weateallthepies

I find it infinitly more concerning that you think people would only have morals because of their belief in god.

I made that same point earlier in the thread; moral philosophy is entirely unrelated to religion; anyone who thinks otherwise should really read Plato.

ardeegee · 09-20-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by recluse

Ardeegee is the reason most people have a problem admitting they are atheists.

As I said once to your pal, I wear the scorn of people like you as a badge of honor. I think at least as little of you as you think of me.

09-20-2010, 10:05 AM	#78
Tom Wood oddly human Posts: 82 Karma: 6872 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle	No hits or bullet biting. I started out answering 'don't know' about the existence of god. The question 'Is there a god?' usually means do you believe in a god of one of the organized religions. That's a completely different question from 'Is there an intelligent force at work in the universe?' which is really the more interesting question. It's also one that is subject to scientific scrutiny. Last edited by Tom Wood; 09-20-2010 at 10:42 AM.

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terrazoids Banned Posts: 290 Karma: 210 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: irex dr1000s	Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved! And how much more proof do you need. God created this universe and humanity. Theres no conflict between science and God. Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff. There may be details of some religions that are out of date with what we know to be likely true but to deny the existence of God is a dangerous step that eventually allows people to throw off morality. Obviously this leads to evil actions, and thus straight to .... HELL. And its no joke people. We don't even understand the meaning of burning in hell, so stay with God, thats all you have to do and throw off ridiculous word games. I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

09-20-2010, 01:09 PM	#83
terrazoids Banned Posts: 290 Karma: 210 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: irex dr1000s	Gosh, it makes me laugh to read threads and debates like this. People always thinking of clever excuses why they can get out of there responsibility to themselves and thus to God. All atheists have a deep nagging feeling inside that they're doing something wrong but they the more they think and try to rationalize the heavier their self made chains get. And incidentally... those are the chains that will eventually drag a person to hell or keep him there (or her). This isn't a debate. Its proved! And how much more proof do you need. God created this universe and humanity. Theres no conflict between science and God. Science is only our study to try and understand God better. Our techniques have gotten better in 4000 years but we keep rediscovering the same old stuff. There may be details of some religions that are out of date with what we know to be likely true but to deny the existence of God is a dangerous step that eventually allows people to throw off morality. Obviously this leads to evil actions, and thus straight to .... HELL. And its no joke people. We don't even understand the meaning of burning in hell, so stay with God, thats all you have to do and throw off ridiculous word games. I mean I laugh but it makes me feel sad too to hear this stuff.

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recluse Banned Posts: 3,724 Karma: 535488 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: the Mortuary Device: Kindle 2	Ardeegee is the reason most people have a problem admitting they are atheists. terrazoids at least had the decency not to be intentionally offensive.