Do you consider it to be unethical... - Page 14

carld · 09-04-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HamsterRage

To be perfectly honest, I was lukewarm about the subject before I saw this thread. The amount of vitriol that's spewed almost exclusively from the anti-darknet side of this argument has now totally convinced me that there is no way that they can be correct.

It's coming close to convincing me that I have a moral obligation to society to strip DRM and fileshare as much as possible.

That's funny in a sad way. I left this forum for a year because of the personal attacks and vitriol from the pro-darknet side.

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

I'm afraid that I see no point in continuing a discussion with someone who calls me a sophist, and falsely accuses me of using the argument from authority.

Why? Does the truth hurt?

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

That's funny in a sad way. I left this forum for a year because of the personal attacks and vitriol from the pro-darknet side.

I've had similar experiences.

Fat Abe · 09-04-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TGS

I answered yes, but I'm no saint!

I answered NO to the earlier survey, and I am a devil.

jgaiser · 09-04-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

That's funny in a sad way. I left this forum for a year because of the personal attacks and vitriol from the pro-darknet side.

The *only* name calling I've read on this thread have not been from the "pro-darknet" side.

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jgaiser

The *only* name calling I've read on this thread have not been from the "pro-darknet" side.

This hasn't been the only thread of this nature. Many of the screen names that were seen in those threads are no longer seen.

Harmon · 09-04-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Why? Does the truth hurt?

Nope I'm rather fond of the truth. But saying that something is sophistry is outside the bounds of civil discourse. You might also have noted that he implied that I am lying about being a lawyer.

And frankly, it appears to me that you are doing the same thing. Is that what you intended by your comment?

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

Nope I'm rather fond of the truth. But saying that something is sophistry is outside the bounds of civil discourse. You might also have noted that he implied that I am lying about being a lawyer.

And frankly, it appears to me that you are doing the same thing. Is that what you intended by your comment?

Actually, no, but, to tell the truth, I have some doubts, but not enough to make an accusation.

harryE123 · 09-04-2010, 11:05 PM

open the poll again, I am sure it will converge towards 80% for the no's.

Publishers take head and stop the shenanigans with ebooks: cross device compatibility, free ebook copies should a customer decide to buy an printed book, open standards and formats. If you continue to try to make millions by taking advantage of people (as the music and film industries learned by way oh haemorrhaging tons of cash, and they learned it too late an too bitterly, by means of being dragged to their senses by (mainly) apple), forcing them to buy high priced ebooks, forcing them to buy both ebook and printed book if they want a physical copy too, etc. etc. they will keep stealing your content. Offer them a good deal and a good product, showing that you respect them and they won't.

jgaiser · 09-04-2010, 11:18 PM

This thread has finally reached the point of diminishing returns.

Neither side has *any* hope of convincing the other. What started as a question on ethics has run down a rat hole and it's time for the thread to be locked down and we can all move on.

For my part, if this thread stays open, I'll not visit any more.

harryE123 · 09-04-2010, 11:22 PM

I disagree, this is a heated issue, and pushing it under the rug by locking the thread won't solve it.

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 11:29 PM

Odd as it may sound, I agree with both jgaiser and harryE123.

harryE123 · 09-04-2010, 11:34 PM

doesn't seem odd to me, I frequently agree with both poles of opposing viewpoints.

Lady Fitzgerald · 09-04-2010, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by harryE123

doesn't seem odd to me, I frequently agree with both poles of opposing viewpoints.

I can see that. People are blown away when I tell them, when it comes to abortion issues, that I am pro-choice and pro-life.

harryE123 · 09-05-2010, 12:06 AM

That's the thing with opposing viewpoints on delicate issues, they both usually have some pretty compelling arguments, you can't but agree with some at least of the arguments on both sides.

View Poll Results: Is the Darknet unethical when the book is out of print?
Yes, using the darknet is unethical.	41	19.71%
No, anything that is out of print is fair game.	142	68.27%
Not sure.	25	12.02%
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harryE123 Banned Posts: 272 Karma: 70 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: irex reader	open the poll again, I am sure it will converge towards 80% for the no's. Publishers take head and stop the shenanigans with ebooks: cross device compatibility, free ebook copies should a customer decide to buy an printed book, open standards and formats. If you continue to try to make millions by taking advantage of people (as the music and film industries learned by way oh haemorrhaging tons of cash, and they learned it too late an too bitterly, by means of being dragged to their senses by (mainly) apple), forcing them to buy high priced ebooks, forcing them to buy both ebook and printed book if they want a physical copy too, etc. etc. they will keep stealing your content. Offer them a good deal and a good product, showing that you respect them and they won't.

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jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,283 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	This thread has finally reached the point of diminishing returns. Neither side has any hope of convincing the other. What started as a question on ethics has run down a rat hole and it's time for the thread to be locked down and we can all move on. For my part, if this thread stays open, I'll not visit any more.

09-04-2010, 11:22 PM	#206
harryE123 Banned Posts: 272 Karma: 70 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: irex reader	I disagree, this is a heated issue, and pushing it under the rug by locking the thread won't solve it.

09-04-2010, 11:29 PM	#207
Lady Fitzgerald Wizard Posts: 2,013 Karma: 251649 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tempe, AZ, USA, Earth Device: JetBook Lite (away from home) + 1 spare, 32" TV (at home)	Odd as it may sound, I agree with both jgaiser and harryE123.

09-04-2010, 11:34 PM	#208
harryE123 Banned Posts: 272 Karma: 70 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: irex reader	doesn't seem odd to me, I frequently agree with both poles of opposing viewpoints.

09-05-2010, 12:06 AM	#210
harryE123 Banned Posts: 272 Karma: 70 Join Date: Dec 2008 Device: irex reader	That's the thing with opposing viewpoints on delicate issues, they both usually have some pretty compelling arguments, you can't but agree with some at least of the arguments on both sides.