Will One Device Rule Them All... Or Not - Page 4

CyGuy · 08-31-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bill_mchale

My point was, that the OS in modern Smartphones is more capable than most people realize. Not all of them are created equal of course, but essentially the biggest limitation on SmartPhone O.S. is the interface that is required to be useful on a 3-5" screen.

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Bill

I will agree that the modern phone OS is very capable, and usually very fast. However, the biggest limitation is actually the fact they can so easily lock them down. They can decide what applications you can or can’t install. They can easily determine what content you can or can’t get onto the device, and they can decide how the content is delivered. There are many other examples, but my point is that these limitations are designed-in, and are completely unacceptable. A full-blown OS device works like it should. You can copy/paste content at will, to/from the device. You can install software of your choice, from anywhere you decide to get it from.
The difference is simply this: either they decide for you, or you decide for yourself. I will decide for myself...

bill_mchale · 08-31-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CyGuy

I will agree that the modern phone OS is very capable, and usually very fast. However, the biggest limitation is actually the fact they can so easily lock them down. They can decide what applications you can or can’t install. They can easily determine what content you can or can’t get onto the device, and they can decide how the content is delivered. There are many other examples, but my point is that these limitations are designed-in, and are completely unacceptable. A full-blown OS device works like it should. You can copy/paste content at will, to/from the device. You can install software of your choice, from anywhere you decide to get it from.
The difference is simply this: either they decide for you, or you decide for yourself. I will decide for myself...

True, but don't think that Apple and Microsoft probably haven't wished they could do the same thing for their desktop O.S.

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Bill

CyGuy · 08-31-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bill_mchale

True, but don't think that Apple and Microsoft probably haven't wished they could do the same thing for their desktop O.S.

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Bill

I agree 100% on this one, if they thought they could get away with that they would! Making hundreds of billions of dollars just isn't enough it seems, more more more.

jrchase · 08-31-2010, 05:34 PM

I think there will be different devices, but I can see a convergence to one or two main ebook formats.

Lady Fitzgerald · 08-31-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bill_mchale

True, but don't think that Apple and Microsoft probably haven't wished they could do the same thing for their desktop O.S.

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Bill

Actually, Apple has. Look at Adobe Flash for starters.

ManosHandsOfFate · 08-31-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Actually, Apple has. Look at Adobe Flash for starters.

Since when can Flash not be used on the Mac OS for desktops?

thymaster · 09-01-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ManosHandsOfFate

Since when can Flash not be used on the Mac OS for desktops?

I think he was referring to flash not being supported on iPhone and iPads.... http://www.apple.com/ca/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

bill_mchale · 09-01-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thymaster

I think he was referring to flash not being supported on iPhone and iPads.... http://www.apple.com/ca/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Maybe, but I was referring specifically to the established, desktop OSes.

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Bill

sony_fox · 09-01-2010, 11:02 AM

I do think a lot of E-ink devices will be squeezed out. How many are there currently on the market 12? 15? I very much doubt sales levels will continue for all of them. SO we may one day see a VHS/Betamax verdict to a reduced range of devices. But I don't see tablets replacing E-ink, as above.

suhle · 11-20-2010, 10:22 AM

Hi. I'm new to ereaders, and am very interested in finding the best and easiest way to add games to mine. Can you give me any hints?

James_Wilde · 11-20-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by thymaster

Do you think converged devices like the iPad will turn dedicated eReaders into extinction?

Nope. If I had to read books on a computer, I'd never get any reading done. It has to be a dedicated device, either a p-book or an e-book reader.

James_Wilde · 11-20-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Thornton

That thing for getting stones out of horses hooves? I don't have a separate one of them.

You take stones out of horses' hooves in your kitchen?

J. Strnad · 11-20-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by suhle

Hi. I'm new to ereaders, and am very interested in finding the best and easiest way to add games to mine. Can you give me any hints?

E-ink screens don't refresh fast enough for most games. You'll find some word games and such, but if you're looking on it as a mobile game platform, you'll be sorely disappointed.

There are a lot of multifunction devices around, but when it comes to dedicated ereaders, well, that's where the "dedicated" comes in.

Selcien · 11-20-2010, 02:32 PM

I have no doubts that there will be a day where there will be no hardware or software advantages in having a dedicated e-reader, however, a dedicated e-reader will always be cheaper, and there will always be people that find a multifunctional device to be far too distracting to get any reading done.

A cheap distraction free dedicated e-reader will always have a market.

Andrew H. · 11-20-2010, 07:20 PM

I don't think that any converged device will replace a dedicated e-reader for the 10% of the population who are hardcore readers. People who read *a lot* will demand the best experience.

However, as with smartphone cameras being good enough for casual photographers, casual readers will probably find converged devices good enough for the occasional read. I think that this is already the case, in fact.

I may be wrong, but I don't think that Pixel Qi screens will lead to convergence since I don't think it will be a great seller with people not really interested in e-readers. Those individuals will want whatever screen makes the best tablet.

What I think will happen is that e-reader prices will, eventually, drop to around $40 for a 6" screen, where they will essentially be a commodity.

11-20-2010, 10:22 AM	#55
suhle old lady Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Nook	How to - games for ereaders? Hi. I'm new to ereaders, and am very interested in finding the best and easiest way to add games to mine. Can you give me any hints?

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08-31-2010, 05:34 PM	#49
jrchase Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10000 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle	I think there will be different devices, but I can see a convergence to one or two main ebook formats.

09-01-2010, 11:02 AM	#54
sony_fox Zealot Posts: 109 Karma: 84 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester Device: Kobo Auroa H2O	I do think a lot of E-ink devices will be squeezed out. How many are there currently on the market 12? 15? I very much doubt sales levels will continue for all of them. SO we may one day see a VHS/Betamax verdict to a reduced range of devices. But I don't see tablets replacing E-ink, as above.

11-20-2010, 02:32 PM	#59
Selcien Enthusiast Posts: 40 Karma: 356 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: nook color	I have no doubts that there will be a day where there will be no hardware or software advantages in having a dedicated e-reader, however, a dedicated e-reader will always be cheaper, and there will always be people that find a multifunctional device to be far too distracting to get any reading done. A cheap distraction free dedicated e-reader will always have a market.

11-20-2010, 07:20 PM	#60
Andrew H. Grand Master of Flowers Posts: 2,201 Karma: 8389072 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Naptown Device: Kindle PW, Kindle 3 (aka Keyboard), iPhone, iPad 3 (not for reading)	I don't think that any converged device will replace a dedicated e-reader for the 10% of the population who are hardcore readers. People who read a lot will demand the best experience. However, as with smartphone cameras being good enough for casual photographers, casual readers will probably find converged devices good enough for the occasional read. I think that this is already the case, in fact. I may be wrong, but I don't think that Pixel Qi screens will lead to convergence since I don't think it will be a great seller with people not really interested in e-readers. Those individuals will want whatever screen makes the best tablet. What I think will happen is that e-reader prices will, eventually, drop to around $40 for a 6" screen, where they will essentially be a commodity.

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