Finally, new Sony rumors

[harryE123]

Originally Posted by khalleron

Ah, yes, the "I can say any damned thing I want but you're a fascist if you object" defense.

Yeah, that one always works.

Thanks for the condescending laugh Kate, it's good to know one can laugh when the joke is on them.

No, that was not my defense, that was an aside. And in this aside, I claimed correctly -and let me educate you here because I love educating people out of their pc- that if one goes about picking up on people's minor phrasing and mannerisms in forums which they might find obnoxious no post is going to be posted that won't divert the thread. And yes, this is fascism, which is perverse and widespread enough for you to not even notice anymore, and it usually comes under the guise of pc. And that is a prime example here, my comments in praise of Japanese hardware (and lamenting their software) where in no sense racist (because I happen to be neither from the UK nor from the U.S. and called them Japs colloquially -as I would have said, aussies, yanks,etc.-). But some people like to be hysteric in forums -that's the web- and they picked up on that sole word.

See, Kate, it's should be all clear to you now. You can thank me later for that.

Originally Posted by Lilly

This is good. I am one of those people who don't want a 5-inch or 6-inch screen. I am enjoying the 7-inch for pleasure reading and think it's perfect (more words on the page so less turning and still very portable)!

So, exactly how possible is that 9.7 incher by sony? I am feeling rather disappointed that all we are going to have is the damn drm ridden kindle. No irex, no plastic logic, not even sony....

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by harryE123

See, Kate, it's should be all clear to you now. You can thank me later for that.

Whatever, dude.

[SkyDream]

Originally Posted by harryE123

So, exactly how possible is that 9.7 incher by sony? I am feeling rather disappointed that all we are going to have is the damn drm ridden kindle. No irex, no plastic logic, not even sony....

Doubt that Sony will have a 9.7 inch model soon. The new version of Sony Library Readers hints (config.xml) a 350,650 and 950 but nothing else.

PocketBook will show two new 9.7" models (902/903) at IFA Berlin next week. There some pics here. They look really cool and i'm exciting about them.

[sbryan]

In case no one has noticed, the US Sony site no longer lists any readers for sale in the product listing. I suspect a new product listing must be imminent - can't imagine they'd be out of the market for long.

Shawn

[Ben Thornton]

Welcome to the forum sbryan!

I'm sure you're right - there's meant to be an announcement on the 1st - which will be an exciting day!
- new Sony readers announcement
- apple announcement on ipod touch 4 +???
- new lego figures released

[EatingPie]

Originally Posted by harryE123

I find many behaviors offensive too, pc not the least. But I am not a fascist to dictate what people should or shouldn't say and do. If I were to comment on all the things I find offensive in internet forums, I would be for days on end on the web. There are at least two countries in the world where what I said is common parlance and the context in which I said it doesn't contain an iota of racism, so get over it. I am not here to assuage anyone's pc anxieties, and I think I've done enough of it to be able to get back on topic.

I'm going to jump in and agree with you here (and I hate to say, but this tangent is more interesting than the topic at hand!).

I participated in a thread where we discussed the term "American Indian." I use the term for the simple fact that the Indians I know use the term. I was then quoted off site, out of context, as saying that as long as I think the term is okay, everyone should. No, I had said I think it's okay because it's in use in a circle of friends. That's PC for yah. We can't even discuss and debate, because we have to be misquoted and labeled racist or ignorant. And, even worse, I love my friends -- and their people/culture -- but me calling them "Indians" made me a "racist."

I think a sold watching of the film Gran Torino is in order. A guy who cares (fatherly love) about people he calls "gook," "zipperhead," "nip." What do you do with that? Is he a racist? It's a damn good question, but one that's about as un-PC as it gets (but, ironically, about loving/caring about people).

Won't play on the Sony Readers yet though.

The issue for me is a. if they are going to invest any money in getting a decent (arm) cpu in because b. amazon is undercutting them in price and selling at an obvious loss to make a profit via a proprietary format (which is wreaking havoc in a market where others aren't the global bookstore), and c. if they are going to make any progress in term of their software which leaves a lot to be desired.

I agree, they need faster CPUs. I've mentioned this previously.

I also think their ePUB rendering is the absolute worse in the e-Reader Universe. However their original LRF format is awesome, or at least their software for using on the Readers is. The layout, fonts, and overall presentation is exceptionally book-like. Doesn't have that inane justification bug that ePUB suffers from.

All this to make the point that Sony can write good software. I do not know why they slacked off so badly with ePUB. How does anyone pass that inane page range on the middle/right margin intruding into the book text even pass quality control????

-Pie

[OrcaBlue]

Originally Posted by EatingPie

I participated in a thread where we discussed the term "American Indian." I use the term for the simple fact that the Indians I know use the term.

This is not the case of overreaching "political correctness". So please don't use that as a defend. This is about how one should be more sensitive when using language that might offend others in a public forum, especially in forum such as Mobileread. It doesn't mean much when you were never a target of the derogatory label and discriminated against.

Originally Posted by EatingPie

I think a sold watching of the film Gran Torino is in order. A guy who cares (fatherly love) about people he calls "gook," "zipperhead," "nip."

Let me guess Hollywood films are now considered reality.

[mrscoach]

As for the term "American Indian" vs the term "Native American". I am one, and don't know which to say. My nephew is a card-carrying member of a tribe, and he calls himself and Indian, so I go with that among family, but out 'in public' I say native American most of the time.

None of us get insulted if you call us Indians, unless said in a tone of contempt. I was called a "mother" once in a tone that made it clear how they felt about parents, so anything you call anyone else can be deragatory, it all depends on the context and tone.

[SensualPoet]

SonyStyle(.ca) in Canada still shows the PRS-300 in blue and silver; the red is "out of stock" as are all flavours of the PRS-600. No other models have been sold in Canada except the PRS-505 and that's been long gone.

The big box electronic stores like BB in Canada appear to have abundant stock of all models in all colours -- look for a BIG sale there by the time the new models ship.

[EatingPie]

Originally Posted by OrcaBlue

This is not the case of overreaching "political correctness". So please don't use that as a defend.

No, it seems to be more like a case of overreaching editing of someone's quote. The very thing I took issue with -- quoting me out of context -- is exactly what you just did, and did... and did.

The rest of my quote follows:

Originally Posted by EatingPie

No, I had said I think it's okay because it's in use in a circle of friends. That's PC for yah. We can't even discuss and debate, because we have to be misquoted and labeled racist or ignorant. And, even worse, I love my friends -- and their people/culture -- but me calling them "Indians" made me a "racist."

In my accusation about Political Correctness, you don't think it's relevant that I'm quoting terms already used in this thread? Or that in my example, I was explaining how I was (I believe) deliberately misquoted/misrepresented in order to brand me a racist? You also don't think it relevant evidence that I was branded a racist solely due to the use of term, and not at all the state of my heart, or the way I viewed this particular culture (explicitly stated, with "love")?

It is this sole reliance on use of terminology deemed "insensitive" -- rather than looking at a person's heart/intent/motive -- that I define as "Political Correctness."

So, yes, using "PC" as a "defend" is legitimate in this case. But only when you make sure to quote me in context.

Let us take another example.

This is about how one should be more sensitive when using language that might offend others in a public forum, especially in forum such as Mobileread. It doesn't mean much when you were never a target of the derogatory label and discriminated against.

First, you assume I've never been the target of a derogatory label. False in almost all ways possible. Second you assume I've never been discriminated against. Also false.

I might find such assumptions quite offensive (I have thick skin, actually). Or maybe others would. If this were the case, should you not be more sensitive in a public forum when using language to suggest I've never heard a racial epitaph directed at me, or been treated badly just because of skin color/social standing/way I speak/etc.?

Let me guess Hollywood films are now considered reality.

Ah, once again, total out of context quoting. When the sentence that immediately follows was the imperative: "What do you do with that? Is he a racist? It's a damn good question, but one that's about as un-PC as it gets (but, ironically, about loving/caring about people)." Apparently, I hit the nail on the head here.

I started my previous post with the complaint about being misquoted and mis-represented illustrating one way I've seen a sort of "PC agenda" work. And the first reply to my post claims I cannot use "PC as a defend," and bolsters this argument by misquoting (out of context quotes, anyway) and misrepresenting my words!

I would say the irony is pretty thick there.

-Pie

[Haidon]

Originally Posted by harryE123

I find many behaviors offensive too, pc not the least. But I am not a fascist to dictate what people should or shouldn't say and do. If I were to comment on all the things I find offensive in internet forums, I would be for days on end on the web. There are at least two countries in the world where what I said is common parlance and the context in which I said it doesn't contain an iota of racism, so get over it.

So let me get this straight: you're arguing that people are in the wrong for being offended by the use of the word?

I wasn't trying to get you to see why people find it offensive, nor to convince you that the term is offensive. What I was saying is that a vast majority of people *do* find it offensive (and your petty excuses aren't going to change that).

"If that makes me a fascist then heil bloody Hitler."

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Ben Thornton

Welcome to the forum sbryan!

I'm sure you're right - there's meant to be an announcement on the 1st - which will be an exciting day!
- new Sony readers announcement
- apple announcement on ipod touch 4 +???
- new lego figures released

Only partially exciting. Lego has lost it when they stopped selling the buckets. Apple lost it when the screwed up the antenna for the iPhone 4. They could have easily moved that bit of the antenna to the bottom or the top and the problem would have been solved. So unless September 1 gets an announcement from Sony, it's a ho-hum nothing special day.

[OrcaBlue]

Originally Posted by EatingPie

No, it seems to be more like a case of overreaching editing of someone's quote. The very thing I took issue with -- quoting me out of context -- is exactly what you just did, and did... and did.

In my accusation about Political Correctness, you don't think it's relevant that I'm quoting terms already used in this thread?

You are quoting a terms that used by racist like HarryE123, who used the "political correctness" argument to justify the used of a racial slur. This is way passed being "political correctness." I was never worry about being "political correctness". I find it blantly offensive and that what I am pointing out. That's why I say don't even use it as defend. "Political Correctness",...Ppplzzzzz.

Originally Posted by EatingPie

Or that in my example, I was explaining how I was (I believe) deliberately misquoted/misrepresented in order to brand me a racist? You also don't think it relevant evidence that I was branded a racist solely due to the use of term, and not at all the state of my heart, or the way I viewed this particular culture (explicitly stated, with "love")?

I never address anything specific about your case. Why are you accusing me of "not thinking" this and that? Please, read my comment for God Sakes. Have I say anything in regarding to your own experience??

Originally Posted by EatingPie

It is this sole reliance on use of terminology deemed "insensitive" -- rather than looking at a person's heart/intent/motive -- that I define as "Political Correctness."

Blah Blah Blah..., I am sorry but "political correctness" has nothing to do with this case.

Originally Posted by EatingPie

Ah, once again, total out of context quoting. When the sentence that immediately follows was the imperative: "What do you do with that? Is he a racist? It's a damn good question, but one that's about as un-PC as it gets (but, ironically, about loving/caring about people)." Apparently, I hit the nail on the head here.

In the movie, he WAS indeed ignorant at the beginning and WAS indeed a racist. He didn't know anything about Hmong culture and think nothing of them. Not until he started interact with them; experienced their hospitality, bullsh*t from his own family, and his terminal disease; did he start to change for the better. Don't tell me that all you got from the movie and think that he was the same throughout.

Please don't use a movie as an example for a real life argument. Please for me....

[Marcy]

Originally Posted by EatingPie

All this to make the point that Sony can write good software. I do not know why they slacked off so badly with ePUB. How does anyone pass that inane page range on the middle/right margin intruding into the book text even pass quality control????

-Pie

Can they? I am so umimpressed with their library software. Why don't they make a web-interface, so I can use my darn browser, which is faster, more reliable and just easier to use than the crap Sony tried to pawn off on us. If Amazon, Kobo, Fictionwise, B&N, etc. can use the web to sell their books, Sony certainly can. ePub books I buy from FW are downloaded via ADE, so that isn't the problem.

However, I do believe the page number is courtesy of ADE, not Sony. Their software sucks big time, but that is one thing that is *not* their fault.

-Marcy

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Marcy

However, I do believe the page number is courtesy of ADE, not Sony. Their software sucks big time, but that is one thing that is *not* their fault.

-Marcy

Yes, that page number belongs to ADE. Whoever, Sony/ADE did do away with it on the PRS-900. So I am hoping it won't be there on the 350/650/950.