iPad/Kindle which will change reading

GeoffC · 08-23-2010, 11:29 AM

BBC Link to Rory.com

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...h_will_ch.html

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Is the new Kindle the device that will finally make e-books mainstream, converting real book-lovers to reading in a digital format? The jury is still out on this one, but I think Amazon has a better chance of making this happen than Apple. And that's despite a little experiment I've conducted which suggests the opposite.

leebase · 08-23-2010, 04:28 PM

I agree. Amazon will be the major force in eBook publishing -- just not via the kindle. A year from now this won't even be a debate. Apple will have sold 20 million iPad's, and probably another 10 to 20 million android based slates will have been sold.

And Amazon will happily be the seller of the most ebooks.

Lee

6charlong · 08-24-2010, 11:38 AM

I think it was the psychologist Abraham Masslow who writes: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you'll see every problem as a nail."

The iPad and the Kindle do different things. An iPod is a much better device for listening to music than the iPad although it can do music, and the Kindle, Sony, etc., are better for reading books.

ardeegee · 08-24-2010, 11:46 AM

I'm not hoping for either one to change reading. It is the same reading, different storage method.

HarryT · 08-24-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 6charlong

I think it was the psychologist Abraham Masslow who writes: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you'll see every problem as a nail."

The iPad and the Kindle do different things. An iPod is a much better device for listening to music than the iPad although it can do music, and the Kindle, Sony, etc., are better for reading books.

My iPad is my main reading device, but a lot of the commercial eBooks I buy I buy from Amazon, and read using the Kindle App on the iPad. iPad sales boost Amazon's eBook sales.

queentess · 08-24-2010, 12:58 PM

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Is the new Kindle the device that will finally make e-books mainstream, converting real book-lovers to reading in a digital format?

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But I'm going to ignore the findings of my focus group - and stick by my belief that Amazon's device has a better chance of transforming the publishing industry than Apple's.

I think converting people to ebooks and transforming the publishing industry are two separate things.

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In a recent post [an author] says that Amazon's platform is many times more important to him than Apple's new online book store: "I sell 200 ebooks a day on Kindle. On iPad, I sell 100 a month."

Well DUH. The iPad hasn't been out very long, and Kindle books can be read on a variety of devices.

vxf · 08-24-2010, 01:22 PM

To each their own, but I own an iPad and I would never, ever consider doing any serious reading on it. Web-browsing and the occasional online article from the Economist, FT, or news sites, sure. But books? Not on an LCD screen...

I think the majority of people who read A LOT will stay with dedicated reader. E-ink has big advantages in terms of eye-strain. But I do know that LCDs bother some less than others (they obviously bother me a lot...) and I know that people who read a lot are a rare breed, nowadays.

saoir · 08-24-2010, 01:54 PM

I read four or five books each two weeks on my iPad. At home and travelling. Same with my work colleague. The screen is crisp and fantastic. I read on the couch, on the plane and in hotels. The Kindle has good points too but I already have an iPad so why would I get both.
Right now the iBook store is not shaping up but I see Jobs sorting that out before Xmas.

leebase · 08-24-2010, 01:57 PM

We already know that the majority of iPad owners on this forum have no problem reading books on it. I've read over 20 so far myself and I could never read a book on my computer.

Lrr

GeoffC · 08-25-2010, 04:42 AM

As we keep saying, LCD / eInk : it's a Personal Choice .....

I don't like reading books via PC, but I am very well used to looking at an LCD screen at a workstation, certainly better than CRT!!
My main reading device has an eInk screen ....

JeremyR · 08-25-2010, 06:01 AM

The iPad will never reach a mass market price. Apple products don't. They target the upscale. Even the ipod touch is $200 for a new older model (2nd Gen) while they constantly release new ones at a $300 price point.

The Kindle will. It's almost there now, but presumably the next model will break the $100 barrier.

lord_blackfang · 08-25-2010, 06:14 AM

I think 3 years from now most people will have forgotten LCD tablets even existed.

murraypaul · 08-25-2010, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyR

The iPad will never reach a mass market price. Apple products don't. They target the upscale.

How many iPods do you think there are in the world?
If the iPod isn't a mass market device, what tech item is?

I'd argue that dedicated eReaders will never become mass-market items, simply because so many people don't read, and would have no use for them.

murraypaul · 08-25-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lord_blackfang

I think 3 years from now most people will have forgotten LCD tablets even existed.

I think that in thee years from now Apple will have sold more than 40 million iPads.

I think that in 10 years from now people will have forgotten that eInk ever existed. Something better will have come along that overcomes the obvious disadvantages.

stargazertony · 08-25-2010, 07:10 AM

I think articles like this are worthless. E-readers aren't going to change reading. If a person wasn't a reader before with paper, then they won't be one now. One has to be a reader first and the device doesn't really matter. Very few will think, "Oh, an electronic reader. I'm a reader."

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08-23-2010, 04:28 PM	#2
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,960 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	I agree. Amazon will be the major force in eBook publishing -- just not via the kindle. A year from now this won't even be a debate. Apple will have sold 20 million iPad's, and probably another 10 to 20 million android based slates will have been sold. And Amazon will happily be the seller of the most ebooks. Lee

08-24-2010, 11:38 AM	#3
6charlong friendly lurker Posts: 896 Karma: 2436026 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: US Device: Kindle, nook, Apple and Kobo	I think it was the psychologist Abraham Masslow who writes: "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you'll see every problem as a nail." The iPad and the Kindle do different things. An iPod is a much better device for listening to music than the iPad although it can do music, and the Kindle, Sony, etc., are better for reading books.

08-24-2010, 11:46 AM	#4
ardeegee Maratus speciosus butt Posts: 3,292 Karma: 1162698 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: PRS-350	I'm not hoping for either one to change reading. It is the same reading, different storage method.

08-24-2010, 01:22 PM	#7
vxf Guru Posts: 944 Karma: 1490348 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Norman, OK Device: Sony PRS 350, 900, 950; Kindles (ALL of them!); Kobo Aura One	To each their own, but I own an iPad and I would never, ever consider doing any serious reading on it. Web-browsing and the occasional online article from the Economist, FT, or news sites, sure. But books? Not on an LCD screen... I think the majority of people who read A LOT will stay with dedicated reader. E-ink has big advantages in terms of eye-strain. But I do know that LCDs bother some less than others (they obviously bother me a lot...) and I know that people who read a lot are a rare breed, nowadays.

08-24-2010, 01:54 PM	#8
saoir Groupie Posts: 188 Karma: 2088290 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ireland Device: Kindle Paperwhite	I read four or five books each two weeks on my iPad. At home and travelling. Same with my work colleague. The screen is crisp and fantastic. I read on the couch, on the plane and in hotels. The Kindle has good points too but I already have an iPad so why would I get both. Right now the iBook store is not shaping up but I see Jobs sorting that out before Xmas.

08-24-2010, 01:57 PM	#9
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,960 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	We already know that the majority of iPad owners on this forum have no problem reading books on it. I've read over 20 so far myself and I could never read a book on my computer. Lrr

08-25-2010, 04:42 AM	#10
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	As we keep saying, LCD / eInk : it's a Personal Choice ..... I don't like reading books via PC, but I am very well used to looking at an LCD screen at a workstation, certainly better than CRT!! My main reading device has an eInk screen ....

08-25-2010, 06:01 AM	#11
JeremyR Guru Posts: 973 Karma: 2458402 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: St. Louis Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+	The iPad will never reach a mass market price. Apple products don't. They target the upscale. Even the ipod touch is $200 for a new older model (2nd Gen) while they constantly release new ones at a $300 price point. The Kindle will. It's almost there now, but presumably the next model will break the $100 barrier.

08-25-2010, 06:14 AM	#12
lord_blackfang Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 80 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: PRS-600	I think 3 years from now most people will have forgotten LCD tablets even existed.

08-25-2010, 07:10 AM	#15
stargazertony Connoisseur Posts: 92 Karma: 906 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SouthWest Pensylvania Device: Kindle 3, iPod Touch, Pre-electronic devices	I think articles like this are worthless. E-readers aren't going to change reading. If a person wasn't a reader before with paper, then they won't be one now. One has to be a reader first and the device doesn't really matter. Very few will think, "Oh, an electronic reader. I'm a reader."