Recreational animal torturer nearly killed by animal.

[happy_terd]

Us AMERICANS pick and choose which animals are ok to torture or kill. Sport fishing, mice and rat traps, chicken farms, etc...it is ok the do whatever we want with the smaller animals and I guess only with the larger animals it matters.

We all get what's coming to us in the end I suppose.

[happy_terd]

Those sticky pad mice traps are freaking horrible. The mice either die of dehydration or rip their legs off trying to escape.

Who cries for them???

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

Those sticky pad mice traps are freaking horrible. The mice either die of dehydration or rip their legs off trying to escape.

Who cries for them???

I have never even heard of such mice traps. Are they an American invention?

[happy_terd]

Glue traps are very popular here in the US.

The military also uses them like crazy. I got to witness a mouse crying and killing itself trying to escape one.

There was nothing I could do.

[happy_terd]

http://www.tomcatbrand.com/javascrip...ratglue_lg.jpg

http://arlingtoncardinal.blogharbor....ongluetrap.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._glue_trap.JPG

http://www.helpinganimals.com/photos...rrel-large.jpg

I dont understand why we pick and choose what animals we decide it is ok or not ok to torture. Most people dont care what happens to the smaller critters.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

Glue traps are very popular here in the US.

The military also uses them like crazy. I got to witness a mouse crying and killing itself trying to escape one.

There was nothing I could do.

That's nasty.

regardless of the animal in question.

[happy_terd]

The question is "why do we care about the bull and not the mouse?"

(Not you ardeegee...referring to people in general)


Seems hypocritical as hell to me.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

The question is "why do we care about the bull and not the mouse?"

(Not you ardeegee...referring to people in general)


Seems hypocritical as hell to me.

Well that is probably based on culture and likeness. It is a lot easier to identify with animals of your own size or close to your own genome, intelligence or whatever.

The strange thing about that is that we slaughter and eat pigs despite their obvious intelligence and likeness to ourselves.

But actually Jonathan Safran Foer has a very good debate about this subject in his book "Eating Animals" (chapter 2 or something if I recall correctly).

[Laz116]

But in the case this thread is about it's something different: We care about the bull because it is the symbol of how man disrespects nature. There are no necessities in bullfighting, only a mindless manifestation of man's dominance over nature. Therefore the bull becomes a symbol of nature dominated, the thing without odds. And when it wins one in a thousand times, obviously there will be cheers. It's not about animals. It's about underdogs in a structure of power and dominance.

[happy_terd]

In the case of this thread it isnt that different. I am claiming that we care for the bull and not the mouse.

This leads up to something.

What if that bull is the same to them as the mouse is to us? Would that then take the blame away from them nullifying the argument that they are doing wrong or would it mean that since we do the same thing on a different level we have no room to judge?

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

I dont care anymore bro. this thread was like 10 years ago.


f*ck the bull and the rider.

I'll pass on the bull but have known some mighty fine bull riders

in all seriousness, most effective humane trap ever;

get a bucket of water and a dowel that will span the top. take both ends off of a metal can. coat the can with peanut butter. put the can over the stick

ta-da!

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

In the case of this thread it isnt that different. I am claiming that we care for the bull and not the mouse.

This leads up to something.

What if that bull is the same to them as the mouse is to us? Would that then take the blame away from them nullifying the argument that they are doing wrong or would it mean that since we do the same thing on a different level we have no room to judge?

I assume that them= lovers of bullfighting and Us=haters of mice.

Obviously no one has the right to judge oneanother in that context. Just as we have no right to judge chinese because they eat our pets.

However that is a rather trivial discussion about cultural differences imo.

It's trivial beause of the following:

1. I haven't seen one person applauding the winning of the bullfight in this thread applauding the mindless atrocity committed to animals in other regards. If they are out there, as they probably are, then yes they are hypocritical as you say.

2. Since I for an example has no partaking in the killing of mice in the way you so vividly described, I can indeed raise my voice in critique of bullfighting. I am not the sum of the general opinion of my country, so there really isn't any we or them but only me and them.

3. The whole problem is a falsum because it is entirely possible to live a full life without disrespecting animal life, without unnecessary animal cruelty. Without being in that troubled zone where you cannot tell right from wrong: It's called vegan (I'm not one, btw.)

[ardeegee]

I've killed mice before-- I've killed them because they can carry disease and because they are causing damage. But if they were doing nothing to me, I'd leave them alone. But using a mousetrap in your house is exactly the wrong analogy. Here's the right one:

People breed mice, taking care to keep them wild so that they will put on a good show. Then, they place them in a cage and stick them with needles until they are terrified and fighting for their lives. Then you taunt them for as long as possible before stabbing them with a knife.

See the difference between those two? The first person is killing because, unfortunately, it is unsanitary and possibly unsafe (chewing wires) to not kill. The second person is killing because he is a sick, twisted worthless piece of garbage that should be tossed in a pound-my-a$$ prison with fat, hairy lifers.

Bull fighters and their fans belong to the second category, not the first.

[happy_terd]

I can agree with you on that, Laz.
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BUT I still think it is f*cked up how we can feel pity for the bull and not the smaller animals we consider pests.

[happy_terd]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

I've killed mice before-- I've killed them because they can carry disease and because they are causing damage. But if they were doing nothing to me, I'd leave them alone. But using a mousetrap in your house is exactly the wrong analogy. Here's the right one:

People breed mice, taking care to keep th

I never said mousetrap. I said glue sticky trap to where they suffer.


Also what about the white mice experiments we do all the time in the name of better science and medicine. We get sad when we see the cats and dog get the needle there but shrug off the smaller critters.