New Kindle with WiFi announced

[esecallum]

Originally Posted by MsAstoria

The web browser (at least on K2) is very primitive and doesn't support flash, movies, etc but is fine for basic gmail usage, and other mobile sites. It was very slow and clunky. Don't know what the web will be like on K3.

No to Skype as described below, also there is no microphone for speaking. It does have a two small speakers for listening to audio books and MP3 files and a port for a earphone jack which is nice to listening to such as on a plane.

Someone would have to put a Skype application on it.

No. It doesn't run Windows. It runs on a Linux kernel. There is also a software development kit for making applications. There have been some hacks for older versions in the past, too.

It's no meant for adding software too, but for reading and listening to audio. I think you are wanting to make it into a netbook, and that's just not it's intention.

It has two speakers on the back.

THANKS TO BOTH OF BOTH ALISHA/ASTORIA FOR THAT.


Has anyone on the previous kindles installed comic book reading software..windows or linux type.


will it be able to read RTF files.

i hear the kindle does have a mic .not used at the moment.

also i hear amazon will keep a back up and they can also delete your books remotely which means they can also read your PRIVATE DOCUMENTS remotely ,copy them or use that info to steal from you like credit card details.

you may have heard how the book 1984 by Orwell was remotely deleted by Amazon from a students kindle and he sued them

This means they must have accessed his kindles files remotely.This means they can read all your private files and copy them and distribute them,delete them,sell them or pass them to police.

or a disgruntled amazon employee could steal them or do i.d fraud or even download disgusting dirty child poern on to the kindle to destroy you.

in fact these concerns have not been discussed at all in the excitement.

perhaps we should discuss them now.

in the papers a teacher downloaded child poern onto a rivals laptop to implicate him and steal his job as he was next in line.

the rival has been completely destroyed even though a court case proved. he was framed.people spit at him in the street.

this means they could frame you easily.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by seajewel

I'm a little disappointed that the Kindle 3 does not ship with a cover. I thought Kindle 1 did, and the Sony did as well. having to pay an extra 40-60$ for a cover kind of makes the price a lot less attractive.

The way I see it, you used to get a cover of Amazon's choice whether you wanted it or not, and of course the cost of the cover was included in the overall price. Now, the price is cut and you get to choose your own cover from another vendor, if you wish.

I don't plan to get an Amazon cover. My experience with my Sony EBRs & iPad has been that I like using the bare-naked device. So after wasting money on the Apple iPad cover, I bought a really easy to use sleeve at Brookstone when I was in the airport a few weeks ago, and it does the protection/transportation job quite nicely. It's called the Express Ballistic Portfolio & cost me $35.

I bought Tuff-Luv covers for my Sonys. They are well designed, but I find myself slipping the EBR out of the cover to do actual reading, except when I read at a table where the cover turns into a no-hands reading easel for the EBR.

So I'll be looking for a slip cover of some kind for my K3. (Though the easel thing might send me back to the Tuff-Luv.)

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by esecallum

THANKS TO BOTH OF BOTH ALISHA/ASTORIA FOR THAT.


Has anyone on the previous kindles installed comic book reading software..windows or linux type.

You really won't be installing software on your kindle.

If you want to read comic books you have to get them into a format that the kindle will read. I know there are many people here that have done it.

BOb

[ski_power]

@esecallum:
Radio refers to Radiowaves, which is how cellphones communicate with eachother.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by esecallum

THANKS TO BOTH OF BOTH ALISHA/ASTORIA FOR THAT.


Has anyone on the previous kindles installed comic book reading software..windows or linux type.


will it be able to read RTF files.

i hear the kindle does have a mic .not used at the moment.

also i hear amazon will keep a back up and they can also delete your books remotely which means they can also read your PRIVATE DOCUMENTS remotely ,copy them or use that info to steal from you like credit card details.

you may have heard how the book 1984 by Orwell was remotely deleted by Amazon from a students kindle and he sued them

This means they must have accessed his kindles files remotely.This means they can read all your private files and copy them and distribute them,delete them,sell them or pass them to police.

or a disgruntled amazon employee could steal them or do i.d fraud or even download disgusting dirty child poern on to the kindle to destroy you.

in fact these concerns have not been discussed at all in the excitement.

perhaps we should discuss them now.

in the papers a teacher downloaded child poern onto a rivals laptop to implicate him and steal his job as he was next in line.

the rival has been completely destroyed even though a court case proved. he was framed.people spit at him in the street.

this means they could frame you easily.

No worries. If they mess with me, my friends and I will conduct our own black opps against them, lol.

[vaughnmr]

Originally Posted by esecallum

also i hear amazon will keep a back up and they can also delete your books remotely which means they can also read your PRIVATE DOCUMENTS remotely ,copy them or use that info to steal from you like credit card details.

you may have heard how the book 1984 by Orwell was remotely deleted by Amazon from a students kindle and he sued them

This means they must have accessed his kindles files remotely.This means they can read all your private files and copy them and distribute them,delete them,sell them or pass them to police.

or a disgruntled amazon employee could steal them or do i.d fraud or even download disgusting dirty child poern on to the kindle to destroy you.

in fact these concerns have not been discussed at all in the excitement.

perhaps we should discuss them now.

in the papers a teacher downloaded child poern onto a rivals laptop to implicate him and steal his job as he was next in line.

the rival has been completely destroyed even though a court case proved. he was framed.people spit at him in the street.

this means they could frame you easily.

Hey, you could put on your tin foil hat, that would protect you.

There's one born every minute, lol...

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by esecallum

also i hear amazon will keep a back up and they can also delete your books remotely which means they can also read your PRIVATE DOCUMENTS remotely ,copy them or use that info to steal from you like credit card details.

I'm pretty sure Amazon already has my credit card number. Yes, I suppose they could read my private documents if they wanted. The software programs on my computer could be forwarding my private documents to other people, too. These companies have privacy policies and you can either trust them to stick to the policy or not. There is no way to prevent someone from violating these policies. We rely on their own fear of getting caught. I'm pretty sure if Amazon was going through our private documents, some whistle blower would have spread the word already.

you may have heard how the book 1984 by Orwell was remotely deleted by Amazon from a students kindle and he sued them

This means they must have accessed his kindles files remotely.This means they can read all your private files and copy them and distribute them,delete them,sell them or pass them to police.

or a disgruntled amazon employee could steal them or do i.d fraud or even download disgusting dirty child poern on to the kindle to destroy you.

in fact these concerns have not been discussed at all in the excitement.

perhaps we should discuss them now.

if you look through the forums, you will find them discussed ad nauseum. We did, in fact, hear about the 1984 thing. Since this is a forum dedicated to ebook reading, we manage to keep up on things like that. As it is, Amazon promised to never do that again. Believe what you will. Yes, Amazon employees could commit ID fraud. So can the pizza boy you gave your credit card to last week. Most of us share a good deal of our information on a daily basis and leave ourselves vulnerable. I don't see Amazon as posing a unique risk.

As for the child porn, I think I'm much more at risk of being framed by someone I know. Besides, I doubt any individual Amazon employee would have the ability to place something on my Kindle and erase all record of it.

If you want to discuss privacy policy, it would be best to start a new thread. This tread is already quite long and it's not really on topic.

[brecklundin]

Originally Posted by Alisa

I'm pretty sure Amazon already has my credit card number. Yes, I suppose they could read my private documents if they wanted. The software programs on my computer could be forwarding my private documents to other people, too. These companies have privacy policies and you can either trust them to stick to the policy or not. There is no way to prevent someone from violating these policies. We rely on their own fear of getting caught. I'm pretty sure if Amazon was going through our private documents, some whistle blower would have spread the word already.



if you look through the forums, you will find them discussed ad nauseum. We did, in fact, hear about the 1984 thing. Since this is a forum dedicated to ebook reading, we manage to keep up on things like that. As it is, Amazon promised to never do that again. Believe what you will. Yes, Amazon employees could commit ID fraud. So can the pizza boy you gave your credit card to last week. Most of us share a good deal of our information on a daily basis and leave ourselves vulnerable. I don't see Amazon as posing a unique risk.

As for the child porn, I think I'm much more at risk of being framed by someone I know. Besides, I doubt any individual Amazon employee would have the ability to place something on my Kindle and erase all record of it.

If you want to discuss privacy policy, it would be best to start a new thread. This tread is already quite long and it's not really on topic.

excellent points and well stated. Reminds me of a saying I read somewhere, I wish I could remember, but it was "...a birth certificate is proof of death..." I think it was a Heinlein line in his Notebooks of Lazarus Long. I took it to mean that it's all too short to worry about so just roll with it as it comes.

Anything can happen at any time, trust me I am very aware of this, so why worry about any of it...look at the state of the world today in spite of the worry, fears and hand-wringing. Sure has made a difference...

[slayda]

Originally Posted by Alisa

...
These companies have privacy policies and you can either trust them to stick to the policy or not. There is no way to prevent someone from violating these policies. We rely on their own fear of getting caught. ...

As I'm sure they trust us to not remove the DRM on ebooks.

[Sydney's Mom]

Originally Posted by slayda

As I'm sure they trust us to not remove the DRM on ebooks.

[catsittingstill]

Originally Posted by esecallum

will it be able to read RTF files.

i hear the kindle does have a mic .not used at the moment.

also i hear amazon will keep a back up and they can also delete your books remotely which means they can also read your PRIVATE DOCUMENTS remotely ,copy them or use that info to steal from you like credit card details.

you may have heard how the book 1984 by Orwell was remotely deleted by Amazon from a students kindle and he sued them

This means they must have accessed his kindles files remotely.This means they can read all your private files and copy them and distribute them,delete them,sell them or pass them to police.

K3 can't read .rtf files directly, but you can easily convert them, either yourself using a program like calibre or stanza or by e-mailing them to Amazon.

Yes, the K3 has a mic. The most reasonable current speculation (IMO) is that it may allow spoken annotation of documents in a future firmware update. If you buy a K3 expecting to use it as a free phone at Amazon's expense, I think you will be setting yourself up for disappointment.

Amazon backs up only those documents you bought from Amazon. You have to back up your private documents yourself.

Yes, theoretically Amazon could read your private files, if you send your private files to Amazon for conversion or transfer, or if you leave Whispernet turned on. If this makes you uncomfortable a Kindle is still useable with Whispernet turned off--or you might consider one of the multitude of fine readers that do not have this issue.

To carry really private stuff like your bank break-in plans I would frankly recommend paper, written out by hand, and burned promptly when you don't need them anymore. You might consider some kind of cipher--I understand the Julian cipher is a classic, but there have been great strides taken in recent centuries.

Yes, I know about 1984. As a community of people brought together by our passionate interest in all things e-book, we all do.

Originally Posted by esecallum

or a disgruntled amazon employee could steal them or do i.d fraud or even download disgusting dirty child poern on to the kindle to destroy you.

in fact these concerns have not been discussed at all in the excitement.

perhaps we should discuss them now.

in the papers a teacher downloaded child poern onto a rivals laptop to implicate him and steal his job as he was next in line.

the rival has been completely destroyed even though a court case proved. he was framed.people spit at him in the street.

this means they could frame you easily.

Oh look everybody! A new species of Kindle FUD! As a (reluctant) connoisseur of Kindle FUD I have to say the child porn is a new refinement that adds considerably to the toxicity of the mix.

I suppose it is technically possible that Amazon could do this. It would be commercial suicide, but it could happen that Amazon decides to wipe itself out in a self-destructive public relations holocaust. If you're worried about it, I recommend you cancel your Amazon order immediately and look into one of the many fine readers made by companies like Astak or CyBook.

[DJHARKAVY]

Originally Posted by Scarpad

Am I crazy? I just bought a Nook,. which I like, and I just Preordered a Wifi Graphite Kindle. I figured I'll find the one I like best and sell the other. My only Complaint on the Nook is that I just can't find a comfortable way to hold it. It's a Tad Heavy too. The Kindle looks Lighter and a bit easier to hold. I guess we'll see.

A friend of mine is about to buy the nook. He won't consider a Kindle because of the 1984 thing, even though they promise not to do it again, they still have the technology to do so.

For me, that is one reason not to buy any ebook reader that is hooked up to the company.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

When you see an eBook available for sale for say $12.99 or $14.99 and then look at your libraries collection of eBooks and see the ePub version available to read for free, the person with the Kindle will wish he/she had a device that handled library eBooks. This is one area that Amazon is going to lose out on and lose out big time.

Right now, it is not terribly significant. But as libraries go digital more and more, it will be.

Amazon will have won the war when Overdrive offers primarily Kindle/Mobi editions. So far, this is not the case. In fact, it is becoming harder and harder to find mobi editions at the NY Public Library.

Originally Posted by slayda

The Amazon advertizing page has the following blurb;

{Emphasis is mine.}

How many "at home" networks are not peer-to-peer/ad hoc type networks? I would be very disappointed if I got the wi-fi only version and could not connect through my home network.

I would like a review from someone who gets the wi-fi only K3 & has an 802.11 home network.

Your home network is likely not ad-hoc.

Originally Posted by kjk

When I travel, I can connect my Macbook to a 3G modem or hotel ethernet, and create an wireless adhoc network for other devices to access.

I carry a small router which I hook into the wired ethernet (where possible) and then use that to reach my laptops (three in the family) via wireless.

Originally Posted by Graham

ePub files conform to a common standard, but companies vary the Digital Rights Management layer that they wrap around them.

We were getting to a reasonably clear situation where everyone using ePub who wanted to add DRM was applying Adobe's ADEPT version, but over the last year it's got more confused with B&N and Apple applying their own variants to lock people into their own stores.

BN does not lock you into their store, at least once other machines update their ADE. Indeed, it frees you from their store, because you don't need to login anywhere to 'activate' the book. The DRM is entirely self-contained, based on storing a hash function derived from the credit card registered with BN.

I like it significantly better than Adept because I am not limited to a set number of registered machines with it (of course, DRM removal is always an option for either, but I am talking about working with the DRM protocol...) Any reader where I have entered the credit card once will retain the hash function (not the credit card) and I can read any other BN ebook on it that was bought with the same card.

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by slayda

As I'm sure they trust us to not remove the DRM on ebooks.

We don't need their trust. They need ours. I'm quite sure they don't particularly trust us not to strip DRM. However if they started snooping on our private documents to stop us, it would likely end up in the news and on the blogoshpere pretty quickly. The fallout would be enormous. It wouldn't be worth it. They'd lose too many customers and potential customers. It would make the 1984 thing look like nothing. As long as I'm not redistributing my liberated books, they would have a hard time claiming damages. They could ban me as a customer but they're the real loser there, too.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by DJHARKAVY

A friend of mine is about to buy the nook. He won't consider a Kindle because of the 1984 thing, even though they promise not to do it again, they still have the technology to do so.

as does Barnes & Nobel with the Nook.

BOb

[mrscoach]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

as does Barnes & Nobel with the Nook.

BOb

That was my thought, too.