Cybook Gen3: Latest about supported formats, price, etc.

[jbenny]

Originally Posted by penty

Yes both version will be identical, at least at first.

And what will be different later? How much later?

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by jbenny

And what will be different later? How much later?

Love your enthusiasm, but could we wait until Bookeen actually releases the Cybook Gen3 before we start exploring what changes/upgrades/new-versions are to come?

Derek

[BKeeper]

I see many people talking about euro pricing strategy:
According to LVD this is what bookeen is quoting to prospective euro distributors

Originally Posted by LVD

... I have received recently the offer on CyBook in Europe:

Cybook: (FOB in Euro)
-> 100 - 270
-> 500 - 260
-> 1000 - 250
-> 5000 - 240

Maybe it's time for a group purchase?
'cause remember there will be shipping costs on top of their official €350 so it will probably be like €380, and I'd say not earlier than 1st Week of November.

(This is according to a comment from Michael on their blog: "I confirm that the device will be available during the 3rd or the 4th weeks of october." + shipping

I'd estimate a 30% margin for Bookeen. From that the have to cover internal costs + make a profit.
That's what companies are for remember?

Also Keep in mind Bookeen can't afford Sony's volume, and as a result they probably have higher manufacturing costs. ($200 or +)

Still think it's expensive?

Buying a new reader from the competition might sound cheap, but you won't get it delivered in Europe for less than €300. (and that is with no warranty at all).

For europeans it makes more sense to buy directly from Bookeen. In the end you are right Bookeen will certainly make more money from EU sales, so what?

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That is of course unless the nice guys at NAEB could agree to get creative with customs declarations.. I'd think that might give them huge sales...
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[HarryT]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

The biggest hurdle we have at this time is what kind of shipping to use and what, if any, import duties there are while going back to Europe... Lots of gray area there which we're muddling through.

Derek

I'm sure you're aware of this, but you don't have to worry about things like import duties; that's down to the customer, not the shipper.

[IrishPrince]

Originally Posted by HarryT

19.6% in France, which is what everyone in the EU will pay. If you live outside the EU, you won't be charged VAT but you will then have to pay whatever local import duties apply.

Good grief, 19.6% tax!! Maybe it's time for the EU to have it's own tax revolt? Folks here in my state are upset that the sales tax jumped to 6% a few years ago.

[HarryT]

If you look at the overall tax burden in all western countries, it's pretty much the same (about 55% of total income). The EU simply chooses to collect it in a rather different way to how it's done in the US. Remember that we do not, generally speaking, have to pay for things like university education and healthcare; it's funded by the government out of taxation.

[NatCh]

Do y'all still have an income tax, HarryT?

[HarryT]

Of course we do . But we do, for example, generally pay far less than you do in property taxes. It's all swings and roundabouts.

[NatCh]

Yeah, I know what you're saying.

[HarryT]

As a general rule, Europeans pay more tax than Americans, but we get more out of it - eg free education and health care. If you look at the overall average of what people spend on stuff like that, it all works out pretty much the same. We all have our own way of doing things.

[delphidb96]

Originally Posted by HarryT

As a general rule, Europeans pay more tax than Americans, but we get more out of it - eg free education and health care. If you look at the overall average of what people spend on stuff like that, it all works out pretty much the same. We all have our own way of doing things.

Free education? I hope you're talking university-level education here. Because education is a given, and government-paid-for, to every child between Kindergarten and 12th grade here in the US. Yes, parents *can* choose to pay for private schooling, but they don't have to.

As for medical, you'd be surprised how many people get government-funded health care as well as employer-paid health insurance. No, it's not total, but the percentage of Americans who don't get some form of free/insurance-covered health care isn't that high.

Derek

[NatCh]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

No, it's not total, but the percentage of Americans who don't get some form of free/insurance-covered health care isn't that high.

And the percentage of non-U.S.-Citizens ... but that's a totally other ball of wax ....

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Free education? I hope you're talking university-level education here.

Yes, I am.

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

As for medical, you'd be surprised how many people get government-funded health care as well as employer-paid health insurance. No, it's not total, but the percentage of Americans who don't get some form of free/insurance-covered health care isn't that high.Derek

Our government spends a ton on healthcare compared to other countries and even with private/employer-provided healthcare out there we still have nowhere near universal coverage. Children are covered, but many working adults are left on their own for that. Plus our private insurance is so expensive it makes it very hard for us to compete globally. However, back to the tax thing: we don't count all that money we pay into our private/employer-provided insurance as taxes. Many also don't count Social Security as taxes when they compare our tax burden to that of our friends in the EU. While they're not taxes, they are money that we're paying out of pocket for things others get from their taxes. Many families pay hundreds a month in premiums out of their paychecks for their employer's healthcare plans, then have to pay a deductible (often a couple thousand a year) and copays. That doesn't even count the employer subsidy for the plan.

[roncri]

Originally Posted by delphidb96

Free education? I hope you're talking university-level education here. Because education is a given, and government-paid-for, to every child between Kindergarten and 12th grade here in the US. Yes, parents *can* choose to pay for private schooling, but they don't have to.

As for medical, you'd be surprised how many people get government-funded health care as well as employer-paid health insurance. No, it's not total, but the percentage of Americans who don't get some form of free/insurance-covered health care isn't that high.

Derek

LOL. I guess if count "numbers in the millions" as not high. From the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation (ASPE) and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

According to the Census Bureau's 2005 Current Population Survey (CPS), there were 45.8 million uninsured individuals in 2004, or 15.7% of the civilian non-institutionalized population.