Iphone application from Sony ??

[Bremen Cole]

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I'd like openness, too. Which device do you recommend that offers that now?

Any with adept drm


That is one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read........

[EowynCarter]

You might say a lots of thing with the books shops in Europe, but at least, they are all using the same format.

In the US, shops using adept ePub. There's sony. Book on board, borders.
Should do to find most books.

Ah, borders actually have "France" listed as a country.

eBook downloads are available only in the US

Mmm. Whatever !

Any with adept drm
That is one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read.......

In what is that bizzare ?
Yeah, any reader the can read adept protected file. Unless you're willing to de-drm

[Zevs]

Interesting read this thread I must say, I guess there was a lot of things that needed to be vented which is fine

As the one who started the thread I just want to say that I have now several reader Apps (Kindle, B&N, Kobo, Stanza, eReader, iReader and now also Txtr) on my iPhone and using them I can buy books from different sources and read them on the same device, i.e. my iPhone. I don't really care so much where I buy books from and in which format, it is the availability and the price of the books that direct where I go. In a way very similar to with real physical books, where I go to different bookstores for the same reasons.

For me the problem is that I have been with Sony a long time and have several of their Readers, and during the years bought ~500 books from them. I would of course like to not have to scrap these books, wanting to be able to read them also on my iPhone when/if I want. This seems now possible using Txtr (although this App have some issues and would need an update), but I don't understand why Sony doesn't jump on this train also and make a reader app for the iPhone. By not doing that, they will loose customers in their book store, and even if books of course is not their main source of revenue, they must still make a profit there somewhere, if not why bother at all.

Zevs

[EowynCarter]

I would of course like to not have to scrap these books, wanting to be able to read them also on my iPhone when/if I want.

Borders app should be able to read these, as it uses adept.
Else, make yourself a favor, get rid of the drm. Then ePub in itself being an open format, it is easily converted / edited. And no more worry about the future. Your books are your to keep forever

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by Zevs

By not doing that, they will loose customers in their book store, and even if books of course is not their main source of revenue, they must still make a profit there somewhere, if not why bother at all.

Their bookstore seems to only exist to help sales of the hardware in the states where there was more competition from other hardware like the kindle that also had it's own store, I think the fact that they never bothered expanding outside north america shows you just how little money they actually make from selling books.

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by scottjl

i really wish people would stop saying apple used "another" drm system. apple used fairplay. the same drm system they've used for years on their MP3 files and they use it today on apps. there was absolutely no reason for apple to use a 3rd party's DRM system and pay out royalties to another company when they have a perfectly usable DRM system already in house. apple is a business, they made a perfectly rational business decision.

In the context of ebooks it is another drm system regardless of whether they had previously used it for music and if they weren't having such a childish strop with adobe then I am sure some kind of cross-licensing deal could have been worked out that would have made the ipad more appealing to people with a large purchased epub collection helping both apple and consumers.

As far as being a rational business decision, they seem to have decided to help amazon dominate the ebook market and given that amazon also sell other content, maybe it won't seem such a good idea further down the line.

[Bremen Cole]

The iPad has already sold in 3 months, more then all the Kindle's in 3 years.... Of course not all iPad owners use the Kindle app... but if iPad reaches 10 million by the end of the year, it could be possible that more people are reading Kindle books on the iPad than Kindle's. Adobe is going down in value and revenue... I really don't think Apple needs ether one, nor is it up to Apple to worry about Adobe.

I hate all DRM, but like Adobe Adept the best because it is easy to strip.... which of course highlights the fact that Adobe's DRM is in fact a failure.......I really hate Apple's DRM, because it has not been cracked yet, and that of course highlights the fact that so far their DRM is a success.

[EowynCarter]

The iPad has already sold in 3 months, more then all the Kindle's in 3 years.... Of course not all iPad owners use the Kindle app... but if iPad reaches 10 million by the end of the year, it could be possible that more people are reading Kindle books on the iPad than Kindle's.

I don't know, i think most people buying an iPad buy if for totally something else than reading. Unless you're talking pdf, a reader will to the job better than any tablet. People how want to do some serious reading will get e-readers. Or already have one.
Plus, people using an iPad are more likely to go iBook than kindle apps.

And really, "open" and "apple", in the same sentence disturbs me. Apple is as un-open as can be ! Proprietary plug, proprietary transfer protocol, proprietary software...

[petermillard]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Unless you're talking pdf, a reader will to the job better than any tablet. People how want to do some serious reading will get e-readers. Or already have one.

Firstly, you might need to define "better" in that sentence (unless you just meant 'better for me'...) and secondly, lots of serious readers (including here at MobileRead) already have e-readers (or several) and still bought, and preferred, iPads. Why is that hard to accept??

Plus, people using an iPad are more likely to go iBook than kindle apps.

Have you tried the iBook store from your country - or mine? Poor selection (and higher prices) from where I live makes Amazon Kindle my store of choice - just not my device of choice.

Pete

[EowynCarter]

Have you tried the iBook store from your country - or mine? Poor selection (and higher prices) from where I live makes Amazon Kindle my store of choice - just not my device of choice.

No, i don't own an iPad, iPhone, or iPod.
But i see your point
Amazon, well. I guess things improved, but on opening day, it wasn't brilliant on that side either.

Firstly, you might need to define "better" in that sentence (unless you just meant 'better for me'...) and secondly, lots of serious readers (including here at MobileRead) already have e-readers (or several) and still bought, and preferred, iPads. Why is that hard to accept??

Guess it's a question of use. But my use mean something small and light. My eyes says : eink. Tought reading on the archos didn't hurt them as much as I would have thought, still did. And iPad's way to heavy it take it out everyday. In addition to the not so safe metro.

[Bremen Cole]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter;

No, i don't own an iPad, iPhone, or iPod

And yet you freely share your negative opinion about our reader of choice.....I don't hang out in the Cybook forum and dis their readers. It just always fascinates me when people have such a fixation on products they do not own, or ever intend to buy.

[EowynCarter]

I don't stay in my little small world, i go see what else exists.

I don't hang out in the Cybook forum and dis their readers.

Tablet not reader, tablet

Question : where do you read ?

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by Crowl

In the context of ebooks it is another drm system regardless of whether they had previously used it for music and if they weren't having such a childish strop with adobe then I am sure some kind of cross-licensing deal could have been worked out that would have made the ipad more appealing to people with a large purchased epub collection helping both apple and consumers.

As far as being a rational business decision, they seem to have decided to help amazon dominate the ebook market and given that amazon also sell other content, maybe it won't seem such a good idea further down the line.

in the context of apple's available options it isn't a new DRM system. it's something they are comfortable with. proven protection and most importantly they don't have to pay anyone else licensing fees. so why would apple have any incentive to go license out someone else's DRM? just so they can be compatible with someone else's book store? or so they can sell files that are easily stripped of their DRM? erm. you do know apple is a business that makes business decisions in their best interests, right? may not be what is "best" for you. but apple doesn't have that high on their priority list.

apple pretty much had no choice but to allow amazon, b&n and others sell their book apps for the ipad. unless they wanted to put up with the huge backlash of not approving such apps, FTC investigation, etc. maybe it will hurt them in the future, maybe it won't. the ebook store is just a small drop in the bucket for apple. after all, they already got to sell you (the consumer) the ipad, and it's unlikely that is the only app you'll be buying for that ipad, they also get to sell you video, music, audiobooks, podcasts.

[Zevs]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

No, i don't own an iPad, iPhone, or iPod.
Guess it's a question of use. But my use mean something small and light. My eyes says : eink. Tought reading on the archos didn't hurt them as much as I would have thought, still did. And iPad's way to heavy it take it out everyday. In addition to the not so safe metro.

I think you should at least test reading on the iPhone and using for example the free Kindle App. I never thought I would like to read on such a small surface, but it is much better than I expected and not strenous at all to at least my eyes. Worth a try, and then you phone you have with you all the time, so no need to lug around a Reader or an iPad. And you can buy a new book whenever you want and wherever you are. Small is beautiful

Zevs

[Bremen Cole]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

I don't stay in my little small world, i go see what else exists.


Tablet not reader, tablet

Question : where do you read ?

Sounds like you lead a very lonely life, I am sorry.....

I did not realize Cybook was a tablet... okay tablet reader.

"Question : where do you read ?"

I read wherever I am.