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kennyc · 07-23-2010, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

Didnt Kenny already do that with his Global warming cultist thread?

No that was the world leaders thread which lasted a full 6 posts or something like that.

montsnmags · 07-23-2010, 06:17 AM

Controversy is not usually a cause of quantity posts. If you want talkiness, think Twitter. Like the "What are you reading/drinking/listening to?" threads, go for something like "What are you currently eating/wearing/hallucinating?".

Cheers,
Marc (hot chocolate/trakkie daks/WEEEEEEEEEE, FLYING UNICORN-BUNYIPS!)

yvanleterrible · 07-23-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

People around here get silly over things like that.

Hey we get silly with just about anything...

NEVER with politics and religion. You ALWAYS forget that MR is not an American site.

kennyc · 07-23-2010, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Hey we get silly with just about anything...

NEVER with politics and religion. You ALWAYS forget that MR is not an American site.

Hmm? I coulda swore politics was a global phenomena.

I'm get kinda sick of getting that thrown back in my face constantly.

yvanleterrible · 07-23-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Hmm? I coulda swore politics was a global phenomena.

...with important regional differences. You can't run out people that are different...

Well, I'm very politicized (if that's a word) but I don't discuss them unless I'm with some people who swear that they can tolerate someone else's views. Voting is secret and that's why.

This place has shown over and over that it's strewn with prejudiced people who think that since everyone is far away and not next to them, they can say any mean thing they want. That's verbal violence, the equivalent of a physical beating and it's not tolerated. Period.

No politics and no religion is a rule, does seeing a speed sign make you sick?
We're here to discuss reading devices. It's been expanded to content.
Like any classroom there are back benchers, of which I'm proud to be, who always do other things that they're supposed to do. But fight I don't and will not. I do enough of that in my head. This is a lounge, a place to find peace and listening ears, a place to RELAX. Away from boss, work, family, good taste and partners in life... Any pressure.

kennyc · 07-23-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

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This place has shown over and over that it's strewn with prejudiced people who think that since everyone is far away and not next to them, they can say any mean thing they want.....

No politics and no religion is a rule, does seeing a speed sign make you sick?
We're here to discuss reading devices. It's been expanded to content.
Like any classroom there are back benchers, of which I'm proud to be, who always do other things that they're supposed to do. But fight I don't and will not. I do enough of that in my head. This is a lounge, a place to find peace and listening ears, a place to RELAX. Away from boss, work, family, good taste and partners in life... Any pressure.

Hmmmm..... "This Place" - I don't think so. The internet and forums bring out the worst in certain people. Even this posting is an example of what you are objecting to....funny how that works isn't it.

My objection to your statement is about the friggin "This is not an American Site" -- I am fully aware of that and am sick of getting that particular thing thrown back in my face (particularly by moderators) when it doesn't apply.

Now, as far as what the Lounge is. You may have specific ideas of what YOU want to be, but that doesn't mean that's what other's want it to be.

The Lounge is a place to discuss non-ebook-related items. Nothing more, nothing less.

When you start telling people what they can or should post YOU are causing the controversy, not because the post was on any given topic.

We discuss religion and politics and all kind of things all over the board, there is no ban on them except if certain moderators decide to object in certain situations.

montsnmags · 07-23-2010, 07:59 AM

Rules, guidelines, recommendations...all meant to try keep the peace and friendliness. Politics, religion do get a mention:

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7. Political and Religious Topics

Past experience has shown that threads debating religious or political matters are unlikely to be edifying, and often become bad-tempered. Our mission is to support the mobile reading community. There are other sites which focus on contemporary political and religious discussions, so we strongly recommend that you debate these topics elsewhere.

MobileRead reserves the right to edit or delete posts about politics and religion, where these are unrelated to mobile reading.

I cynically suspect the history of the next million posts will be marked, like reality, with the disturbances caused by extreme clashes over religion and politics, but the opposite part of my cynicism likes to think those things will diminish, and, like reality, not reflect the vast majority of posts of people going about their daily lives, getting by, chatting and discussing with friends, acquaintances and welcome strangers, helping each other, exchanging thoughts and experiences.

Personally I'm going for the 21st Century and next million posts to become known as the Unutterably Silly Age, and I intend to be there, no matter what I have to sacrifice, and to which of the Great Old Ones, but that's just me. I'm hoping it's Will Ferrell, and to the Dark One that is the eater of pink-and-sugary souls, Hell Oh! Kitty, but, you know, I'll take what I can get.

Cheers,
Marc

kennyc · 07-23-2010, 08:14 AM

Monts, certainly I'm aware of the mention and even agree with it, but my point is really that many many many books - fiction and non-fiction deal with politics and religion and are discussed all over the forum and it is rarely limited to the text of the book itself. Even non-book related politics are again discussed all over the forum. -- Take the Global Warming thread for example. Totally contentious and certainly political but it goes on as do many other threads that deal with politics -- such as the illegal immigrant threads and others. It is only when certain beliefs or statements are expressed that threads are closed or posters are warned or banned. I know it is a difficult job to manage a heard of wild cats -- which is really a good analogy to internet posters in general. Posters and Moderators must use their best judgment as to what to post, what to allow etc. depending on the nature of the particular forum. Sometimes those posts and decisions are good and sometimes they are bad and different people will have different opinions about them.

Onward to the next 2 million!

GeoffC · 07-23-2010, 08:20 AM

Any debate that is healthy should be both allowed and encouraged; it is when the debates turn into mud-slinging, then degenerates further into name-calling; that we lose sight of the aim of the Lounge.

yvanleterrible · 07-23-2010, 08:23 AM

And on to the next million...

My views of the future are rather pessimistic. This wolrd is a kettle on a fire and boiling point is approaching. As things get worse I hope that MR stays a neutral zone away from it all...

kennyc · 07-23-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

Any debate that is healthy should be both allowed and encouraged; it is when the debates turn into mud-slinging, then degenerates further into name-calling; that we lose sight of the aim of the Lounge.

Agreed. And that's what's somewhat disheartening. I'm a believer in that you can discuss anything, any topic, any point of view if you stick to the high road. But unfortunately that is rarely the case in most forums. (there are a couple of fourms I visit on occasion where it is more the case than with most).

montsnmags · 07-23-2010, 10:07 AM

My point, Ken, was merely that, while there is no "ban" on them, explicit mention of them is made of both politics and religion in the Guidelines, and the recommendation there is generally away from those topics.

What one chooses to do with, and how one interprets that guideline, and the others, is an individual matter, but in the end they are meant to "guide" the community, and the Star Chamber/mods, in what is desirable and in that ambiguous "for the best".

That's all. Not arguing...just pointing out that there is a guideline relating to politics being discussed, though not an explicit "ban". That there are guidelines on discussion. That it's not completely an anything-goes thing. That guidelines guide posting and moderation. That's all.

Cheers,
Marc (Not wearing his mod-hat)

kennyc · 07-23-2010, 10:14 AM

I understand Marc. Hopefully we are all clear.

Thanks.

montsnmags · 07-23-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

I understand Marc. Hopefully we are all clear.

Thanks.

We certainly are! I consider myself to have learnt from this exchange of ideas - an exchange which was not a disagreement but a coalescing and clarification of empathetic ideas and, perhaps, ideals.

Regardless, we're good. Let's gang up on everyone else, while they're weak and disorganised!

Cheers,
Marc (Give me two million or give me death!)

vivaldirules · 07-23-2010, 10:27 AM

Did someone mention doughnuts?

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07-23-2010, 06:17 AM	#197
montsnmags Grand Sorcerer Posts: 10,155 Karma: 4632658 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	Controversy is not usually a cause of quantity posts. If you want talkiness, think Twitter. Like the "What are you reading/drinking/listening to?" threads, go for something like "What are you currently eating/wearing/hallucinating?". Cheers, Marc (hot chocolate/trakkie daks/WEEEEEEEEEE, FLYING UNICORN-BUNYIPS!)

07-23-2010, 08:14 AM	#203
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,892 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Monts, certainly I'm aware of the mention and even agree with it, but my point is really that many many many books - fiction and non-fiction deal with politics and religion and are discussed all over the forum and it is rarely limited to the text of the book itself. Even non-book related politics are again discussed all over the forum. -- Take the Global Warming thread for example. Totally contentious and certainly political but it goes on as do many other threads that deal with politics -- such as the illegal immigrant threads and others. It is only when certain beliefs or statements are expressed that threads are closed or posters are warned or banned. I know it is a difficult job to manage a heard of wild cats -- which is really a good analogy to internet posters in general. Posters and Moderators must use their best judgment as to what to post, what to allow etc. depending on the nature of the particular forum. Sometimes those posts and decisions are good and sometimes they are bad and different people will have different opinions about them. Onward to the next 2 million!

07-23-2010, 08:20 AM	#204
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Any debate that is healthy should be both allowed and encouraged; it is when the debates turn into mud-slinging, then degenerates further into name-calling; that we lose sight of the aim of the Lounge.

07-23-2010, 08:23 AM	#205
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	And on to the next million... My views of the future are rather pessimistic. This wolrd is a kettle on a fire and boiling point is approaching. As things get worse I hope that MR stays a neutral zone away from it all...

07-23-2010, 10:07 AM	#207
montsnmags Grand Sorcerer Posts: 10,155 Karma: 4632658 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: none	My point, Ken, was merely that, while there is no "ban" on them, explicit mention of them is made of both politics and religion in the Guidelines, and the recommendation there is generally away from those topics. What one chooses to do with, and how one interprets that guideline, and the others, is an individual matter, but in the end they are meant to "guide" the community, and the Star Chamber/mods, in what is desirable and in that ambiguous "for the best". That's all. Not arguing...just pointing out that there is a guideline relating to politics being discussed, though not an explicit "ban". That there are guidelines on discussion. That it's not completely an anything-goes thing. That guidelines guide posting and moderation. That's all. Cheers, Marc (Not wearing his mod-hat)

07-23-2010, 10:14 AM	#208
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,892 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	I understand Marc. Hopefully we are all clear. Thanks.

07-23-2010, 10:27 AM	#210
vivaldirules When's Doughnut Day? Posts: 10,059 Karma: 13675475 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Houston, TX, US Device: Sony PRS-505, iPad	Did someone mention doughnuts?