|  07-19-2010, 09:37 PM | #1 | 
| Professional Contrarian            Posts: 2,045 Karma: 3289631 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 4 No Touchie | 
				
				Kindle Books Outsell Hardcovers
			  NYT Article.... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/te...ndle.html?_r=2 A few salient points: • up to 180 Kindle books for every 100 hardcovers sold, including titles where no ebook is available • that figure does NOT include free Kindle books • Kindle devices are still selling well, as users see a need for both iPads and a specialized reading device • Surprise! No "hard" numbers in the article I should'a bought some AMZN stock a few weeks ago....   | 
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|  07-19-2010, 11:01 PM | #2 | 
| Crank Up The Awesome!            Posts: 315 Karma: 708054 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Japan Device: Kindle, Nook, iPhone | 
			
			I just saw this article a minute ago. Definitely a watershed for what's to come. It says they project the print market to become 25% of the overall book market, and that sounds about right to me. Buying books in print will become the new way of appreciating a book you really love. AFTER you read it as an ebook while you were in traffic, you decide you want to have it for when you're actually sitting in your chair deliberately reading too.
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|  07-20-2010, 12:05 AM | #3 | 
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			The Kindle Nation Daily blog just posted about this too, though oddly they said 148 ebooks to 100 hardcover books. Nevertheless, it certainly feels like ebook sales have gained huge momentum.
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|  07-20-2010, 12:07 AM | #4 | 
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|  07-20-2010, 12:08 AM | #5 | 
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			This, despite publishers' efforts to "protect" hardback sales with high ebook prices.
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|  07-20-2010, 01:28 AM | #6 | 
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			w00t!
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|  07-20-2010, 01:36 AM | #7 | 
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			YES!      | 
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|  07-20-2010, 09:07 AM | #8 | 
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			It was inevitable.
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|  07-20-2010, 09:47 AM | #9 | 
| Chocolate Grasshopper ...            Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW | 
			
			think how many more they could sell if there were no  a) geographic restrictions and, to a lesser extent, b) drm .... ! | 
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|  07-20-2010, 10:41 AM | #10 | 
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			Really awesome... I don't get mine from Amazon but it really is a good thing for the ebook reader market. I just hope for a decent reader for large technical pdfs cause up to now my prayers to the god of technology have gone unheard. Perhaps I should start with the human sacrifices... GJMS | 
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|  07-20-2010, 11:20 AM | #11 | 
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			wow .awesome
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|  07-20-2010, 11:30 AM | #12 | |
| New York Editor            Posts: 6,384 Karma: 16540415 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: PalmTX, Pocket eDGe, Alcatel Fierce 4, RCA Viking Pro 10, Nexus 7 | Quote: 
 There's a one year lag between the release of the hardcover and the mass market paperback edition to give the hardcover time to sell the people who want the book now before the cheaper edition arrives. "Agency pricing" has the same purpose - if the retailer wants to offer an ebook edition at the same time as the hardcover edition, they have to charge a higher price so the publisher doesn't lose the difference on the sale. If they want to charge the lower price, they have to wait for a while after the hardcover is released to do it. Publishers are trying to survive. eBooks have simply thrown more turmoil into a market that was already struggling, with unit sales flat or down and revenues up at all only because of price increases. This has been going on for years, and the process began well before ebooks appeared and became popular. Publishers are going through wrenching mergers and consolidations, imprints are folding, and layoffs are daily occurrences. Lines are getting trimmed because there are simply too many books chasing too few readers. I'm unsurprised at the move to the agency pricing model - why should ebooks be different from paperbacks? And my scarce resource is time to read the books. Price is not the determining factor. ______ Dennis | |
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|  07-20-2010, 11:42 AM | #13 | |
| Bookaholic            Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR + | Quote: 
 Also was the publisher not making more on those books ("hardcover" ebooks) the old way? 50% of a $25-$28 list price (regardless of retail price) vs 70% of the Agency retail price? So it's not all about 'losing the difference' on a sale. | |
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|  07-20-2010, 12:36 PM | #14 | 
| Serpent Rider            Posts: 1,123 Karma: 10219804 Join Date: Jun 2009 Device: Sony 350; Nook STR; Oasis | 
			
			Take THAT, publishers. Die already. Yeah, I'm excited for this news :-D | 
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|  07-20-2010, 12:51 PM | #15 | ||
| New York Editor            Posts: 6,384 Karma: 16540415 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: PalmTX, Pocket eDGe, Alcatel Fierce 4, RCA Viking Pro 10, Nexus 7 | Quote: 
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 One of the issues the publishing industry has been wrestling with is returns. Publishing has historically had a 100% returns model. Unsold titles could be returned for credit. (In practice, unsold hardcovers were actually returned. Paperbacks had the covers stripped of and returned, and the body of the book became trash. Coverless books often got resold at a small fraction of the cover price, which was another industry headache.) And given the nature of the distribution chain, it could be a year before the reports were in and you even knew if the book sold. In other industries, the retailer bore part of the risk, because they couldn't simply return any unsold stock for credit. At the department store I once worked for, for example, clothing had a regular markdown schedule, depending upon how long it remained unsold, with progressive price cuts before it went to Clearance, because it couldn't be sent back for credit. It was up to the buyer to make good guesses on how much of what to order. One thing publishers have been experimenting with is a higher discount rate for retailers, in exchange for limits on the amount that can be returned. It's been slow and tentative for the same reason trimming lines to fit demand has been occurring in wrenching spasms: nobody wants to be the first to try it. ______ Dennis Last edited by DMcCunney; 07-20-2010 at 02:28 PM. | ||
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