K3 splitting words in Mobi

RockSlice · 10-11-2010, 11:45 AM

New Calibre user here.

When I view a mobi file I've created, my K3 splits words in order to fill the horizontal space. I know this isn't because of the Kindle, because mobi files I get from Amazon will stretch out the word gaps.

Is there any way to fix this?

desertgrandma · 10-11-2010, 11:48 AM

Welcome to MobileRead, RockSlice

kovidgoyal · 10-11-2010, 11:52 AM

Use the etxt justification option under look & feel in the conversion settings.

RockSlice · 10-11-2010, 12:08 PM

Guess I need to update. (On deployment, so not easy) Using 0.7.13 right now, from the MaximumPC disc.
Thank you.

RockSlice · 11-12-2010, 12:20 PM

I managed to update to the version that's live on the site (0.7.27), and can't see the etxt justification option. Under justification, the only options are "original", "left", and "justified".

Tried various options, but can't get anything to stop the words from being split.

What am I missing?

kovidgoyal · 11-12-2010, 12:28 PM

justified is the setting you need. Another cause of this could be if your input document includes soft hyphens in it.

RockSlice · 11-12-2010, 12:51 PM

It's still not working. I don't think it's due to soft hyphens in the input document, as the input document is txt.

RockSlice · 11-29-2010, 10:04 AM

My apologies. It's not a mobi problem. It seems to be a problem with converting from text, whether to mobi or epub, or any other format, and the problem follows the file, so going txt -> epub -> mobi doesn't help.

In the Calibre viewer, the problem is seen as every paragraph being on one line, with no wrapping of text (except at dashes). I've tried looking at the exploded epub to find differences between the same file converted from txt, and one where I pasted the text into an rtf file, then converted it (which worked properly), but couldn't find any differences that solved the issue.
When I hit port next, I'll upload the test files if you want me to. In the meantime, is there anything you can suggest?

kovidgoyal · 11-29-2010, 11:07 AM

explore the options under txt input for line breaking. for example, 'treat each line as a paragraph'

ldolse · 11-29-2010, 04:58 PM

Try the treat each line as a paragraph option under text input as Kovid mentioned. Also, just in case soft-hyphens are your problem you can also enable the 'preprocess input file to possibly improve structure detection' option under the structure detection options. that should remove any soft-hyphens buried in the doc.

RockSlice · 11-30-2010, 03:26 AM

Found it! The setting was "Preserve spaces"

The txt files were using hex value '20' as a space, which if "preserve spaces" was off got converted into 'C2 A0'

Both the K3 and Calibre viewer show this as a blank, but don't seem to treat it as a valid character with which to separate words, so they treat the entire paragraph as a single word.

This also explains why it stuck through conversions, as the '20' space was still present to be carried over to the next format.

Thank you for your help in this. I don't know if you want to treat this as a "bug", as the setting was preserving the spaces as they were.

fmoses · 12-31-2010, 01:38 AM

I was having this problem with Pages (on a Mac) documents exported as ePubs and then converted to Mobi in Calibre. I eventually found that if in Pages I made the text full justified then the words did not split at end of lines anymore on the Kindle. With a Mac, this seems to be the easiest way to get beautifully organized documents with a full TOC onto a Kindle:
1. In Pages create the document using Styles to set up the TOC where you want breaks (Heading 1, Heading 2, etc.) Use the Inspector to setup the TOC and which styles will be displayed in the TOC.
2. ***Make sure all paragraphs are full justified alignment. For some reason left-justified text shows up on the Kindle but words are split at end of lines. Full justification seems to fix this.
3. Export file as ePub.
4. Import into Calibre and convert to MOBI format.
5. Send to Kindle.

10-11-2010, 11:45 AM	#1
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	K3 splitting words in Mobi New Calibre user here. When I view a mobi file I've created, my K3 splits words in order to fill the horizontal space. I know this isn't because of the Kindle, because mobi files I get from Amazon will stretch out the word gaps. Is there any way to fix this?

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10-11-2010, 11:48 AM	#2
desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462843 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	Welcome to MobileRead, RockSlice

10-11-2010, 11:52 AM	#3
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,170 Karma: 27110894 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Use the etxt justification option under look & feel in the conversion settings.

10-11-2010, 12:08 PM	#4
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	Guess I need to update. (On deployment, so not easy) Using 0.7.13 right now, from the MaximumPC disc. Thank you.

11-12-2010, 12:20 PM	#5
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	I managed to update to the version that's live on the site (0.7.27), and can't see the etxt justification option. Under justification, the only options are "original", "left", and "justified". Tried various options, but can't get anything to stop the words from being split. What am I missing?

11-12-2010, 12:28 PM	#6
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,170 Karma: 27110894 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	justified is the setting you need. Another cause of this could be if your input document includes soft hyphens in it.

11-12-2010, 12:51 PM	#7
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	It's still not working. I don't think it's due to soft hyphens in the input document, as the input document is txt.

11-29-2010, 10:04 AM	#8
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	My apologies. It's not a mobi problem. It seems to be a problem with converting from text, whether to mobi or epub, or any other format, and the problem follows the file, so going txt -> epub -> mobi doesn't help. In the Calibre viewer, the problem is seen as every paragraph being on one line, with no wrapping of text (except at dashes). I've tried looking at the exploded epub to find differences between the same file converted from txt, and one where I pasted the text into an rtf file, then converted it (which worked properly), but couldn't find any differences that solved the issue. When I hit port next, I'll upload the test files if you want me to. In the meantime, is there anything you can suggest?

11-29-2010, 11:07 AM	#9
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,170 Karma: 27110894 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	explore the options under txt input for line breaking. for example, 'treat each line as a paragraph'

11-29-2010, 04:58 PM	#10
ldolse Wizard Posts: 1,337 Karma: 123455 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Malaysia Device: PRS-650, iPhone	Try the treat each line as a paragraph option under text input as Kovid mentioned. Also, just in case soft-hyphens are your problem you can also enable the 'preprocess input file to possibly improve structure detection' option under the structure detection options. that should remove any soft-hyphens buried in the doc.

11-30-2010, 03:26 AM	#11
RockSlice Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle (3)	Found it! The setting was "Preserve spaces" The txt files were using hex value '20' as a space, which if "preserve spaces" was off got converted into 'C2 A0' Both the K3 and Calibre viewer show this as a blank, but don't seem to treat it as a valid character with which to separate words, so they treat the entire paragraph as a single word. This also explains why it stuck through conversions, as the '20' space was still present to be carried over to the next format. Thank you for your help in this. I don't know if you want to treat this as a "bug", as the setting was preserving the spaces as they were.

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12-31-2010, 01:38 AM	#12
fmoses Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: none	I was having this problem with Pages (on a Mac) documents exported as ePubs and then converted to Mobi in Calibre. I eventually found that if in Pages I made the text full justified then the words did not split at end of lines anymore on the Kindle. With a Mac, this seems to be the easiest way to get beautifully organized documents with a full TOC onto a Kindle: 1. In Pages create the document using Styles to set up the TOC where you want breaks (Heading 1, Heading 2, etc.) Use the Inspector to setup the TOC and which styles will be displayed in the TOC. 2. ***Make sure all paragraphs are full justified alignment. For some reason left-justified text shows up on the Kindle but words are split at end of lines. Full justification seems to fix this. 3. Export file as ePub. 4. Import into Calibre and convert to MOBI format. 5. Send to Kindle.