Torrents and torrents..

[ahi]

Originally Posted by mtravellerh

these torrents could become illegal very quickly!

They are torrents after all!

- Ahi

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by ahi

I did not suggest you were in error with regards to not doing so, Harry. As I stated, I do believe it would be downright illegal for you to do so. You can only use the PG trademark if the content (presumably meaning the text, more than the formatting... though I could be wrong) is 100% unchanged from what is available on PG. If you fix a single typo, you can no longer credit them.

You completely miss Harry's point.

Harry has created carefully crafted and thoroughly proofed ebook editions of the works of Charles Dickens. The original source text was from Project Gutenberg, but the Dickens works were among the earliest contributions to Project Gutenberg. They date from well before Distributed Proofreaders became the feed for posted PG texts, and vary widely in quality and accuracy. Harry has done significant work in producing clean and accurate texts, and his versions may well be definitive. He'd love to give them to PG, but can't find anyone to take them.

Current submissions to PG all go through the DP proofing process, but there seems no way to get existing PG texts dating from before DP resubmitted for cleanup and quality control.
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Dennis

[ricdiogo]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Current submissions to PG all go through the DP proofing process (...).

Not true, as I've said before.

[HarryT]

Ricardo,

Could you suggest an e-mail address that I should contact to see about giving my proof-read Dickens books back to PG?

[ricdiogo]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Ricardo,

Could you suggest an e-mail address that I should contact to see about giving my proof-read Dickens books back to PG?

Harry could you please email me first: ricardofdiogo at gmail dot com ?

[HarryT]

EMail sent.

[zelda_pinwheel]

i've not been following this thread and i've only just partially skimmed it, so forgive me if this has already been said.

it seems to me that at the heart of this discussion is the feeling (shared by many) that the download process here is unnecessarily complex / inefficient / inconvenient.

i am happy to report that there is currently a team working on a complete redesign of the upload AND download system, to make it more convenient and streamlined. this is a huge project, so please be patient, it will take some time to implement, but we are listening to feedback about the download process here and we are taking steps to improve it.

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by ahi

They are torrents after all!

- Ahi

Torrents don't have to be illegal you know; it's common, but hardly a requirement.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i am happy to report that there is currently a team working on a complete redesign of the upload AND download system, to make it more convenient and streamlined. this is a huge project, so please be patient, it will take some time to implement, but we are listening to feedback about the download process here and we are taking steps to improve it.

Thank you for this.

I figured that, torrent-friendly or not, the reason for the somewhat uploaded ebook management arrangement was software-based--it's hard to turn a forum into an efficient file-exchange system, especially if you want to keep the ability to offer comments.

[DawnFalcon]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i am happy to report that there is currently a team working on a complete redesign of the upload AND download system, to make it more convenient and streamlined.

Good

[mtravellerh]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Thank you for this.

I figured that, torrent-friendly or not, the reason for the somewhat uploaded ebook management arrangement was software-based--it's hard to turn a forum into an efficient file-exchange system, especially if you want to keep the ability to offer comments.

We are actually thinking about offering an access to more than one book at a time (something like all the books from one author and so on) Please hang on and give us a little more time

[Stitchawl]

Originally Posted by mtravellerh

We are actually thinking about offering an access to more than one book at a time (something like all the books from one author and so on) Please hang on and give us a little more time

Thanks for taking the time to do this. At the moment, it IS a bit ungainly.

How about access to down load a complete genre at one time?
I know I'd be very happy with that! Then, when someone recommends an uploaded author I'm not familiar with, I'll already have that work ready and waiting, only needing to be put into my reader.

Stitchawl

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by Lemurion

As to selling PD works he has proofed and corrected, anyone has the legal right to do that: however as that could be considered implicitly claiming his work as one's own, the argument can be made that it's unethical.

I'm not sure why you would think that. Selling a PD work is no more claiming that you're the editor as it is claiming you're the author.

If we're saying that a company selling such a PD work is being unethical because they're implicitly claiming Harry's work, couldn't you also say that Harry is being unethical in implicitly claiming the author's work was his. IMO, both arguments are silly. Harry didn't write the book, but he's using the author's hard work as a basis for making his own improvements. Someone selling that work is doing the same thing. They're just using Harry's work as a basis for improving their business. Neither the author nor Harry has anything to complain about. That's the nature of PD material. The whole point of it is that anybody can do with it what they please.

If Harry doesn't like the possibility that someone can use his work for something he doesn't like, then he can choose not to release his changes to the public. Once he does release it though (and we're tall thankful that he does), complaining about how people use that material is a little absurd.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by ahi

Isn't he implicitly doing just that by not attributing his books to Project Gutenberg, wherefrom most he probably sourced? Not that PG's terms governing use of the PG name and trademark permits him to do so...

Good point.

[Shaggy]

Originally Posted by PKFFW

Jezz louise!! There seems to be an awful lot of discussion going on about something that no one seems to be "demanding" be done. A lot of questioning of others ethics, a lot of suggesting not offering a torrent is wrong, a lot of likening the uploaders to the big bad evil corporations who cripple ebooks with DRM, a lot of.....basically....whinging.

If you all want a torrent, go ahead a make a torrent. It has been stated that you are all free to do so, even if you may not be free to post a link to the torrent here at MR. Stop questioning peoples ethics, rights and what not and just go do it already.

Or is it that whilst you are of course not "demanding" someone at MR do it, it's just too much effort to do yourself?

Cheers,
PKFFW

I believe you've completely missed the point.