On the table: DRM trumps fair dealing (Canada) - Page 3

tompe · 06-06-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, I didn't say that. What I said - and the statement that you quoted - was:

OK, but since you did not quote what you were commenting I of course assumed it was DRM copyright protection you talked about since the thread is about DRM.

Krystian Galaj · 06-06-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Without copyright protection for content producers, there is no commercial incentive to create content. Amateur writing is all well and good, and bravo to those who do write for the love of it, but if you want professional authors to carry on writing, there has to be an effective mechanism in place to allow those authors the opportunity to make a fair return from their work.

Why would one want the 'professional' authors to carry on writing for money? That influences their way of writing, they choose to write books that will sell better, and not ones they would want to write. If they want to write something, let it be something they'd like the world to read - otherwise publishing industry is just the old patronage model again, with author appeasing the public this time.

mr ploppy · 06-06-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by omk3

It's painfully obvious that most legislators have no idea what they are talking about, at least in technological matters. But they never let that stop them. And the less you know, the more you fear of course.

One of the few UK MPs that turned up to debate our similar new law thought that an IP address meant Intelectual Property address. Probably thought that was where you download all this "illegal" content from that is costing the country 60 billion dollars a week.

mr ploppy · 06-06-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Hey, name me a drm that wasn't broken ? They only make sure the paid product have less value, because it is locked.

I couldn't unlock a book I got from Barnes & Noble a couple of weeks ago, I don't know if that is because they updated it or I'm just a bit crap. It was a free book too. Why bother protecting a free book?

kacir · 06-06-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

most of us, for example, accept without complaint the DRM which is present on DVDs,

Don't know about you, but all those unskippable warnings and advertisements at the beginning of legally purchased DVD annoy me very, very much.

EowynCarter · 06-06-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kacir

Don't know about you, but all those unskippable warnings and advertisements at the beginning of legally purchased DVD annoy me very, very much.

Yeah, that too

mr ploppy · 06-06-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It seems like simple common sense to me, Tommy.

Copyright law grants the creator of a work the exclusive right to control it and profit from it. .

Only for the first sale. They have no control over what happens to it after that, or who can profit from it. DRM is an attempt to control what happens to goods after the first sale.

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I don't need to conduct "empirical studies" to tell me that if that exclusive right to profit from a work did not exist, neither would the motive to create it.

I don't think financial gain will be the major motivation behind any new writer, that would only come later when they realised that they might be able to make a living doing it. People write because they have something to say. Always have, always will. The cream will still rise to the top, just the same as it always has. Along with the scum.

HarryT · 06-06-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

Why would one want the 'professional' authors to carry on writing for money? That influences their way of writing, they choose to write books that will sell better, and not ones they would want to write. If they want to write something, let it be something they'd like the world to read - otherwise publishing industry is just the old patronage model again, with author appeasing the public this time.

Many of the greatest writers in history have "written for money": those dreadful hack writers Shakespeare and Dickens, to name but two. You make it sound as if there's something wrong with writers producing work that readers will want to read!

omk3 · 06-06-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

If your reader has internet access they wouldn't really need to enter your house.

I avoid readers with internet access like the plague. But whenever I mention it I receive sarcastic remarks about tinfoil hats. Never mind, to check out the contents of my reader you need to stop and search me. Or hack into my computer of course

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I couldn't unlock a book I got from Barnes & Noble a couple of weeks ago, I don't know if that is because they updated it or I'm just a bit crap. It was a free book too. Why bother protecting a free book?

Barnes & Noble DRM is different than regular epub DRM, but it has been cracked too, as far as I know. And they 'protect' free books because you still have to go to THEM to get them. You have to register and be on their database to get them. They're not for just anyone!

Kirtai · 06-06-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It seems like simple common sense to me, Tommy.

Common sense can't be trusted, the only way to know for sure is to test it.

Much of modern science directly contradicts common sense after all

J. Strnad · 06-06-2010, 04:27 PM

The history of such stuff, as long as I've been observing it, has been for the status quo to vigorously oppose all new technology that they don't control, for them to be overrun by it, and eventually, they learn to turn it to their financial advantage.

You get some interesting failures along the way, such as the original DIVX DVD system (buy the DVD, you get to watch it for 48 hours before incurring extra fees) and self-destructing DVDs that became unplayable a short time after opening the sealed package.

Eventually the market decides what it wants, and smart companies make money by providing that.

omk3 · 06-06-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Strnad

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You get some interesting failures along the way, such as the original DIVX DVD system (buy the DVD, you get to watch it for 48 hours before incurring extra fees) and self-destructing DVDs that became unplayable a short time after opening the sealed package.
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Are those real-life examples? If so, I'm so glad I totally missed them!

HarryT · 06-06-2010, 04:33 PM

I've not come across "self-destructing" DVDs, but they sound like a great idea for rentals, because they wouldn't have to be returned. You could put them in vending machines, for example. How did they work? A slow oxidation process once the packet was opened?

Moejoe · 06-06-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I've not come across "self-destructing" DVDs, but they sound like a great idea for rentals, because they wouldn't have to be returned. You could put them in vending machines, for example. How did they work? A slow oxidation process once the packet was opened?

I recall that William Gibson released a short story on a self-destructing floppy disc at one point. I'm not sure how it worked. I'm guessing in that case it was a virus. I'm not sure how a self-destructing DVD would work, be interesting if anyone had the answer to that one.

omk3 · 06-06-2010, 05:22 PM

Inspector Gadget was always given his orders on self-destructing pieces of paper.

Everything has been foretold!

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06-06-2010, 04:27 PM	#41
J. Strnad Guru Posts: 915 Karma: 3537194 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo, Kindle 3, Paperwhite	The history of such stuff, as long as I've been observing it, has been for the status quo to vigorously oppose all new technology that they don't control, for them to be overrun by it, and eventually, they learn to turn it to their financial advantage. You get some interesting failures along the way, such as the original DIVX DVD system (buy the DVD, you get to watch it for 48 hours before incurring extra fees) and self-destructing DVDs that became unplayable a short time after opening the sealed package. Eventually the market decides what it wants, and smart companies make money by providing that.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I've not come across "self-destructing" DVDs, but they sound like a great idea for rentals, because they wouldn't have to be returned. You could put them in vending machines, for example. How did they work? A slow oxidation process once the packet was opened?

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omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	Inspector Gadget was always given his orders on self-destructing pieces of paper. Everything has been foretold!