.rtf bigger than .doc

diabloNL · 11-13-2006, 02:49 PM

I have a ebook in the .doc format that has a size of 1.313KB. When I save it as a .rtf it becomes 1.971KB! Shouldn't the .rtf be smaller?

Does anyone has an idea what could cause this?

NatCh · 11-13-2006, 02:54 PM

Yeah, it should.

Try opening it in WordPad and saving it that'll strip a lot of extra stuff off it. It'll also strip off the author/title metadata, but you can put that back in maually with NotePad ... the details are around M.R. somehwhere .... (rummage, rummage)

Bob Russell · 11-13-2006, 03:57 PM

Here is the trick I think you are referring to (to add author title without MS Word)...
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...1305#post41305 courtesy of ltamote!

NatCh · 11-13-2006, 04:17 PM

The very one. Thanks, Bob.

diabloNL · 11-13-2006, 04:25 PM

Thanks guys. I found out that I have many more files where the rtf is bigger than the doc. The only thing is that with these files the rtf files are just a few KB bigger so no big deal here.

About my problem where a .doc format that has a size of 1.313KB becomes 1.971KB when I save it as a .rtf.

I managed to get it from 1.971KB to 1.131KB! How? I saved it as a Word6.0/95(*.doc). And then saved it back to a rtf. The result is exactly the same formatting etc. but a much smaller filesize. It must have dumped a lot of garbage when saved as Word6.0/95(*.doc). The rtf file is still a few KB bigger than the doc but it's more balanced like my other files. It's a mystery to me how a file with so many garbage can still be displayed correctly!

I tried it also on my other files but they stayed the same. Still it is weird that a rtf is bigger(even if it's a few KB) than a doc.

slayda · 11-13-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabloNL

I tried it also on my other files but they stayed the same. Still it is weird that a rtf is bigger(even if it's a few KB) than a doc.

I would have expected rtf to be slightly larger than doc just because the rtf is a mor universally recognized format. Doc's could be smaller since they belong to MS. Just my thoughts - no data to back them up.

tcv · 11-13-2006, 06:18 PM

I would expect RTFs to be bigger as well. Word documents are compressed to some degree, are they not?

diabloNL · 11-13-2006, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slayda

I would have expected rtf to be slightly larger than doc just because the rtf is a mor universally recognized format. Doc's could be smaller since they belong to MS. Just my thoughts - no data to back them up.

Hmmm....strange because I also have .doc bigger than the .rtf version.

Snappy! · 11-13-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slayda

I would have expected rtf to be slightly larger than doc just because the rtf is a mor universally recognized format. Doc's could be smaller since they belong to MS. Just my thoughts - no data to back them up.

Au contraire ... Word doc format has many meta tags inside as it supports many additional stuffs in Word. RTF is 'univeral' but is lighter. Just as ASCII and HTML are both universal, but can still be lighter than Word doc. 8)

Aprilbeginnings · 11-16-2006, 06:09 PM

I have to throw this in. I prefer .txt over .doc or .rtf, the print size when you want it large is much larger and for those with glasses, .txt is the format I prefer on this reader, at least that is how it appears to be working at this moment for me.

NatCh · 11-16-2006, 06:15 PM

You ought to be able to bump the text size up in any of those files before you load it on the Reader, that'll give you a bigger "small" size to start from ....

Aprilbeginnings · 11-16-2006, 06:21 PM

I tried that with .rft I do believe and it didn't make any difference when it got to the reader...... Of course I will have to try this again, but I did try and I won't even bother with .pdf files...... arggggggggggg and I don't think I like holding the thing in landmark view to make them larger. I will definetly load up something, make it larger and save it that way and try again to see what happened. Maybe I got mixed up with what I was putting up there. I know I loaded up a .doc (which doesn't work on my reader other than through the connect thing) yes I have word....... had the same file as .rtf and then .txt and was much happier with the .txt.... either way, as long as I can get it on this thing and read I will be a happy camper...

SoCal Bob · 11-16-2006, 06:26 PM

I like RTF over TXT because I can format the fonts and headings, etc. I have a template "Sony Reader" in Word which uses 20tp font for my RTF. Readable on the "S" setting and huge on "L" even to my old eyes

If I have charts, pictures, etc I print to Acrobat, using a predefined (as suggested elsewhere on this board, I cannot recall by whom) "Sony Reader" page using the "smallest file size" option. A 912kb Doc file ends up 1.275mb in PDF

HarryT · 11-22-2006, 09:40 AM

If the document contains any pictures, the RTF file can be a LOT bigger than the DOC. RTF files store images in an extremely "verbose" way.

NatCh · 11-22-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

RTF files store images in an extremely "verbose" way.

Heh, 'verbose' pictures, that's a funny thought. I guess in RTFs, a picture is worth a thousand words.

11-13-2006, 02:49 PM	#1
diabloNL Gadget Force® Posts: 705 Karma: 2733 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Device: Sony PRS-300 + Cybook with funny screen :P	.rtf bigger than .doc I have a ebook in the .doc format that has a size of 1.313KB. When I save it as a .rtf it becomes 1.971KB! Shouldn't the .rtf be smaller? Does anyone has an idea what could cause this?

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11-13-2006, 02:54 PM	#2
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Yeah, it should. Try opening it in WordPad and saving it that'll strip a lot of extra stuff off it. It'll also strip off the author/title metadata, but you can put that back in maually with NotePad ... the details are around M.R. somehwhere .... (rummage, rummage)

11-13-2006, 03:57 PM	#3
Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	Here is the trick I think you are referring to (to add author title without MS Word)... https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...1305#post41305 courtesy of ltamote!

11-13-2006, 04:17 PM	#4
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	The very one. Thanks, Bob.

11-13-2006, 04:25 PM	#5
diabloNL Gadget Force® Posts: 705 Karma: 2733 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Netherlands Device: Sony PRS-300 + Cybook with funny screen :P	Thanks guys. I found out that I have many more files where the rtf is bigger than the doc. The only thing is that with these files the rtf files are just a few KB bigger so no big deal here. About my problem where a .doc format that has a size of 1.313KB becomes 1.971KB when I save it as a .rtf. I managed to get it from 1.971KB to 1.131KB! How? I saved it as a Word6.0/95(.doc). And then saved it back to a rtf. The result is exactly the same formatting etc. but a much smaller filesize. It must have dumped a lot of garbage when saved as Word6.0/95(.doc). The rtf file is still a few KB bigger than the doc but it's more balanced like my other files. It's a mystery to me how a file with so many garbage can still be displayed correctly! I tried it also on my other files but they stayed the same. Still it is weird that a rtf is bigger(even if it's a few KB) than a doc.

11-13-2006, 06:18 PM	#7
tcv Addict Posts: 330 Karma: 596 Join Date: Oct 2006	I would expect RTFs to be bigger as well. Word documents are compressed to some degree, are they not?

11-16-2006, 06:09 PM	#10
Aprilbeginnings Guru Posts: 632 Karma: 404 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southern CA Device: Sony PRS-500 /prs 650 soon	I have to throw this in. I prefer .txt over .doc or .rtf, the print size when you want it large is much larger and for those with glasses, .txt is the format I prefer on this reader, at least that is how it appears to be working at this moment for me.

11-16-2006, 06:15 PM	#11
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	You ought to be able to bump the text size up in any of those files before you load it on the Reader, that'll give you a bigger "small" size to start from ....

11-16-2006, 06:21 PM	#12
Aprilbeginnings Guru Posts: 632 Karma: 404 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Southern CA Device: Sony PRS-500 /prs 650 soon	I tried that with .rft I do believe and it didn't make any difference when it got to the reader...... Of course I will have to try this again, but I did try and I won't even bother with .pdf files...... arggggggggggg and I don't think I like holding the thing in landmark view to make them larger. I will definetly load up something, make it larger and save it that way and try again to see what happened. Maybe I got mixed up with what I was putting up there. I know I loaded up a .doc (which doesn't work on my reader other than through the connect thing) yes I have word....... had the same file as .rtf and then .txt and was much happier with the .txt.... either way, as long as I can get it on this thing and read I will be a happy camper...

11-16-2006, 06:26 PM	#13
SoCal Bob Connoisseur Posts: 72 Karma: 37 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SoCal Device: Sony Reader, iLiad, Palm Tungsten T3	I like RTF over TXT because I can format the fonts and headings, etc. I have a template "Sony Reader" in Word which uses 20tp font for my RTF. Readable on the "S" setting and huge on "L" even to my old eyes If I have charts, pictures, etc I print to Acrobat, using a predefined (as suggested elsewhere on this board, I cannot recall by whom) "Sony Reader" page using the "smallest file size" option. A 912kb Doc file ends up 1.275mb in PDF

11-22-2006, 09:40 AM	#14
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	If the document contains any pictures, the RTF file can be a LOT bigger than the DOC. RTF files store images in an extremely "verbose" way.