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Old 09-14-2016, 03:27 AM   #91
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I just saw this quote: "Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures."--Ralph Waldo Emerson
It's not Emerson. It's Jessamyn West, from To See the Dream (1957).

In the 1957 first edition, it's on page 39 and is actually "Fiction reveals truths that reality obscures"
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Old 09-14-2016, 03:45 AM   #92
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ACK!!

The only acceptable mashup is the banana-and-peanut-butter kind. Mash the banana and stir in peanut butter. Slather on one side of a piece of loaf bread. Place the other side of the slice of bread on top of it. Oh, if you have some table syrup or honey, a little bit of that is good to add to the banana and peanut butter.
Ewwwww.... That sounds even more horrible than drama's!

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But when it comes down to it, historical non-fiction can't be treated as absolute truth. It's always based on limited information and the author always has an individual point of view. At least historical fiction doesn't usually make claims of objectivity.
As history is always written by the victors, I agree.

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I think you missed the joke Personally, I love historical novels (they're actually my favorite books, beside fantasy), so I think the start post is hysterical
I love fantastic science historical fiction best (think: Voyager, by Diana Gabaldon or the Many Coloured Land by Julian May). Or alternate history.

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Sorry, but it has to be based on a real event or it cannot be historical fiction.
No, it can be based on a real event (but slightly altered to make it more interesting), or even placed in a historical background.

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This thread is bad as it will make new members think we are all daft.
Aren't we? To some people, people that read are daft...

But, if historical novels shouldn't exist, how can you tell the story about that workman in some big town who never had a major impact on the world (and thus was never recorded) but was very important to his family and his neighbours?
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Old 09-14-2016, 04:29 AM   #93
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It's not Emerson. It's Jessamyn West, from To See the Dream (1957).

In the 1957 first edition, it's on page 39 and is actually "Fiction reveals truths that reality obscures"
Genuine thanks for the correction. I hadn't had a chance to run down the quote. I'll pass that along to the guy in the email that I received yesterday afternoon who made that quote.

I am always wary of supposed quotations of what famous people said. It seems like they are wrong more often than they are right. It seems like "Honest" Abe (Lincoln) is ascribed the most number of erroneous quotes than anyone.
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Ewwwww.... That sounds even more horrible than drama's!
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That was (supposedly) Elvis Presley's favorite sandwich.
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It seems like "Honest" Abe (Lincoln) is ascribed the most number of erroneous quotes than anyone.
Or Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde?

People do seem to like to attribute quotes, even if they have no idea who actually originated them.
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People do seem to like to attribute quotes, even if they have no idea who actually originated them.
If you're not sure about an English language quote, attributing it to either Shakespeare or the King James Bible is generally a pretty safe bet .
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Old 09-14-2016, 05:15 AM   #97
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If you're not sure about an English language quote, attributing it to either Shakespeare or the King James Bible is generally a pretty safe bet .

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
-- Shakespeare*


* or James Nicoll
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And because of that, you get weird stuff, with words like:

side, sight, site
wide, white, wight
right, ride, rite

I don't even know if it's possible to create a Poem of Chaos in Dutch, German, or French...
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That was (supposedly) Elvis Presley's favorite sandwich.
Never cared for him either...

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If you're not sure about an English language quote, attributing it to either Shakespeare or the King James Bible is generally a pretty safe bet .
I'll keep it at: some English speaking dude... Would that work?

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And because of that, you get weird stuff, with words like:

side, sight, site
wide, white, wight
right, ride, rite

I don't even know if it's possible to create a Poem of Chaos in Dutch, German, or French...
Well, to be fair, Dutch also has its fair share of strangeness... (though, generally not in sound vs spelling, true)
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Or Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde?

People do seem to like to attribute quotes, even if they have no idea who actually originated them.
So many spurious quotes (generally of a particular political bent) are ascribed to Thomas Jefferson that the good folks at Monticello actually have a "Spurious Quotations" section on their web site.
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Well, to be fair, Dutch also has its fair share of strangeness... (though, generally not in sound vs spelling, true)
LOL, yeah. D/T problems. I love this one:

Verkeert (To be in a certain state)
Verkeerd (To be wrong, but also one of the past tenses of 'verkeert')

Some (many? most?!) people *never* learn to get the D/T stuff correct in Dutch.
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It seems like "Honest" Abe (Lincoln) is ascribed the most number of erroneous quotes than anyone.
But it was definitely Lincoln who said, " Never believe everything you read on the internet".
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Or Mark Twain or Oscar Wilde?

People do seem to like to attribute quotes, even if they have no idea who actually originated them.
That brings us full circle to something that I said (or at least implied) in the O.P.: people don't care enough about the truth. That's why historical fiction and stuff like that proliferates. So what if Lincoln, or Twain, or Wilde didn't really say it????? The quote sounds good, we don't know who really originated it, so we'll make up somebody as the one who said it.

I rest my case.
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But it was definitely Lincoln who said, " Never believe everything you read on the internet".
Could be. People say that Lincoln was a farsighted thinker . . . .
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That brings us full circle to something that I said (or at least implied) in the O.P.: people don't care enough about the truth. That's why historical fiction and stuff like that proliferates. So what if Lincoln, or Twain, or Wilde didn't really say it????? The quote sounds good, we don't know who really originated it, so we'll make up somebody as the one who said it.

I rest my case.
Not much of a case, then. More of a non sequitur, really.
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