|  01-28-2014, 12:44 PM | #31 | 
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|  01-28-2014, 01:12 PM | #32 | 
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			Interesting thread!  Ethical Consumer argues books are better than e-readers, citing electricity consumption and the wide range of minerals used in e-readers as key factors: http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/ethic...vironment.aspx | 
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|  01-28-2014, 01:31 PM | #33 | 
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|  01-28-2014, 01:47 PM | #34 | 
| Tea Enthusiast            Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2 | 
			
			ehh, they say the same thing. If you read 50 books on it, it is the same as reading paper books in terms of the carbon foot print for making it.  So the question is, does reading book 51 take less or more energy then the energy that goes into making a paperback book? I would guess that it takes less energy to power the device to read a book then it does to make an entire paper back. For people on this site, who regularly read 50 books a year, the e-reader is more enviromentally friendly then paper books. And the whole bit about recycling? There are only so many times a piece of paper can be recycled. A fair amount of what is sent to recycling center does not get efficently recycled. And even when it does, it requires the use of energy and water and other resources. So recycling is not an energy free process or a guarentee. | 
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|  01-28-2014, 01:48 PM | #35 | 
| Benevolent Evil Lord            Posts: 1,704 Karma: 48339466 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Evil Canada (We all have goatees!) Device: Galaxy Note 8.0, Galaxy Note, iPad Mini, PocketEdge(retired) | 
			
			Actually, the polyethylene in the bags is made from ethane which is a component of natural gas (along with methane) or is a byproduct of distilling oil into gasoline. In gasoline production, ethane is produced anyway so there may as be a use for it instead of just releasing it into the atmosphere.
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|  01-28-2014, 02:09 PM | #36 | 
| Non-Techy            Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders | 
			
			What ever plastic bags are made of they use the used bags in my area to make park benches!  Comfortable to sit on no maintance & seem to last forever!
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|  01-28-2014, 02:10 PM | #37 | 
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			Little Man has plates, cups, spoons, and forks made from recycled milk jugs and grocery bags.
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|  01-28-2014, 02:16 PM | #38 | 
| Non-Techy            Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders | 
			
			So maybe this question might be RELAVAT to this topic!  HOW come my ne Computer  says it made from Recycled Plastic?   Me thinks it means the plastic case!
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|  01-28-2014, 03:24 PM | #39 | 
| Tea Enthusiast            Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2 | 
			
			The case maybe. Also some of the metals. They do have people who remove the precious metals and rare metals in electronics so that they can be recycled. I believe that the last article linked discussed the dangers of removing those metals and how damaging it can be to poor individuals in third world countries that have this job.
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|  01-28-2014, 03:57 PM | #40 | 
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			Wow, I'm surprised and pleased that this has developed into this discussion. There are lots of interesting viewpoints, which makes it a much more interesting thread. Thankyou to everyone for taking part!
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|  01-28-2014, 03:59 PM | #41 | 
| Non-Techy            Posts: 4,455 Karma: 15499273 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: WV---USA Device: Samsung Cell Phone & Amazon Fires & Kobo eReaders | 
			
			Then it wouldn't surprise me if ereaders were made of recycled plastics.     | 
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|  01-28-2014, 06:49 PM | #42 | |
| Fanatic            Posts: 513 Karma: 2644386 Join Date: Apr 2012 Device: iPhone, Kindle Touch | Quote: 
 I think the environmental benefits of an e-reader compared to paper are negligible until you read enough e-books. One of my friends was given an early Kobo model but she never liked it. She reads all the time, just in paper. As far as I know, that Kobo is just gathering dust. | |
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|  01-28-2014, 08:02 PM | #43 | 
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			Many of the bag laws were passed because of plastic bags ending up in water ways, along the road, and other places. They were as much about littering as protecting the environment.
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|  01-29-2014, 12:36 AM | #44 | 
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			I've read the entire thread, which raises a very interesting question. As usual it doesn't comes to an answer... Not a fail from the posters tough. Nobody knows this answer for sure, never will and the ones that says they do know fails on the light of the ages passing by. It looks more like this: Spoiler: 
 That being said, I think the deal is far beyond readers vs. paperback environmental efficiency. The deal, imho, is the human scale, being the scale the headcount. Last edited by denydias; 01-29-2014 at 12:38 AM. Reason: Fix video URL | 
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|  01-29-2014, 05:06 AM | #45 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 1,068 Karma: 23867385 Join Date: Nov 2011 Device: kindle, fire | Quote: 
 All these studies pit some mythical e-reader against a prototypical library of books, but anyone who reads these forums KNOWS that people who own e-readers own LOTS of e-readers. So, yes, there is environmental impact to the creation of an e-reader that can be compared to the impact of creating a book. Yes, there is environmental impact to the delivery of an e-reader that can be compared to the environmental impact of delivering a book. You might even dare to compare the use of a reading light to the powering of an e-reader and the network infrastructure to support it. BUT, when you send a book to a landfill, it just goes away. That's never true for an e-reader. Eventually, someone is going to eat or bathe in the toxic residue of the e-reader.  There are certainly worse things for the environment than e-readers, but books are not on that list. | |
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