What gun and ammo? - Page 7

crich70 · 06-01-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ucfgrad93

The obvious and only choice is the gun that James Bond uses, a Walther PPK.

http://www.waltherarms.com/products/handguns/ppk/

And an Aston Martin for the getaway car?
Bond, James Bond.

ApK · 06-02-2013, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crich70

And an Aston Martin for the getaway car?
Bond, James Bond.

...and too many vodka martinis for the reason they are in the bathroom.

By the way, in the movies, at least, Bond originally carried a Beretta .25. The quatermaster described it as nice and light for a lady's handbag.

Stitchawl · 06-02-2013, 01:05 AM

Ballistically, a .22 long rifle has as much knock-down power as a .25acp, and is a LOT quieter. A .380 auto, while the same diameter as a .357mag or a .38 special, has almost no stopping power unless loaded with frangible rounds. But they certainly are cute.

Stitchawl

pspearing · 06-02-2013, 07:29 AM

I seem to recall reading that some covert agencies have used Ruger Mk IIs with the bolt locked, but that's not something one carries around most of the time. A typical carry gun is not easily suppressed. What was the scenario of the bathroom killing in The Godfather? Wasn't it essentially forget the noise and get away quickly? It's been a while since I read it.

crich70 · 06-02-2013, 09:21 AM

I wouldn't think you would want a piece that was easily traced back to you either. Serial #'s are hard to erase and if there is a paper trail the police will come calling sooner or later if the gun is just tossed after use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special

gmw · 06-02-2013, 10:06 AM

No one has brought up BB guns. I don't know what the hand-gun versions are able to do, but modern air-rifles can be lethal - and they're quiet.

Stitchawl · 06-02-2013, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gmw

No one has brought up BB guns. I don't know what the hand-gun versions are able to do, but modern air-rifles can be lethal - and they're quiet.

The problem we are all facing is that the author wants this to be a crime of opportunity. She probably wouldn't have a BB gun in her purse. That's why I like 'the metal rat-tail comb to the temple.' She'd have that in her purse as part of her cosmetics.

(But a silenced H&K MP7 would be pretty neat.

30 rounds in less than two seconds.)

Stitchawl

gmw · 06-02-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

The problem we are all facing is that the author wants this to be a crime of opportunity. She probably wouldn't have a BB gun in her purse. That's why I like 'the metal rat-tail comb to the temple.' She'd have that in her purse as part of her cosmetics.[...]

It's a story. Maybe she was out shooting rats before the mood took her to try bigger game.

If I remember rightly this isn't taking place in America, in most of the rest of the world there aren't too many people that habitually carry a gun of any sort in their purse.

Hamlet53 · 06-02-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

Ballistically, a .22 long rifle has as much knock-down power as a .25acp, and is a LOT quieter. A .380 auto, while the same diameter as a .357mag or a .38 special, has almost no stopping power unless loaded with frangible rounds. But they certainly are cute.

Stitchawl

Hey, don't be knocking .380 ACP. I have a Ruger LCP that I carry when I want a very small and light gun to carry when jogging. Mainly for dog encounters though. The next unsupervised and off-the-leash dog that comes after me while I'm jogging on a public road may never do that again.

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Originally Posted by pspearing

I seem to recall reading that some covert agencies have used Ruger Mk IIs with the bolt locked, but that's not something one carries around most of the time. A typical carry gun is not easily suppressed. What was the scenario of the bathroom killing in The Godfather? Wasn't it essentially forget the noise and get away quickly? It's been a while since I read it.

Yes, it was a revolver that Michael Corleone used to kill Sollozzo and it was not silenced. In fact as I recall when Clemenza is instructing Michael how to shoot before Michael comments on how noisy it is and Clemenza tells him that it was left that way on purpose to scare off any bystanders from interfering. He also tells Michael to immediately drop the gun

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Originally Posted by crich70

I wouldn't think you would want a piece that was easily traced back to you either. Serial #'s are hard to erase and if there is a paper trail the police will come calling sooner or later if the gun is just tossed after use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special

Well yes and no. The serial number will certainly allow the gun to be traced back to the first point of sale, likely a FFL, and the first legitimate purchase after that. Thereafter maybe not so much. I could right now legally sell any of the guns I legitimately purchased and own now, each of which will have a paper trail, to any person I would care to with no paper work, or even questions about identity. And this could be repeated any number of times. That's one of the reasons why I do favor closing the private sale/gun show sale “loophole” that now exists. Of course the story is set in Europe where laws and gun availability are entirely different than in the US.

teh603 · 06-02-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamlet53

The serial number will certainly allow the gun to be traced back to the first point of sale, likely a FFL, and the first legitimate purchase after that. Thereafter maybe not so much.

Maybe? Some states have registration and all that, and some states reject anything that allows a gun to be traced. Gun dealers required to shred records after a ridiculously short time, lobbying to get the ATF to prove it isn't keeping records, stuff like that.

And then there's the infamous- over- here 3D printed plastic gun. Only good for one shot, but that's sometimes all you need.

VydorScope · 06-02-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by teh603

And then there's the infamous- over- here 3D printed plastic gun. Only good for one shot, but that's sometimes all you need.

Actually its up to 9 shots now... not beyond belief to think that they are all that far from making it much more useable.

VydorScope · 06-02-2013, 07:43 PM

You know the typical weapon of choice for a female is poison, not a gun. Just a thought...

crich70 · 06-02-2013, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VydorScope

You know the typical weapon of choice for a female is poison, not a gun. Just a thought...

Now there is a thought. He's having his favorite dish in the restaurant, gets up to relieve himself, and while he's gone she spikes his food with something that isn't easily detected in the food in question. As far as that goes she wouldn't even need to use a poison. Let's say she had picked up some peanut oil at the market before stopping for something to tide her over til she can get home, and he happens to have a strong allergy to peanuts. He could be dead from the allergic reaction in a short time, and best of all it would look like a mishap in the restaurant's kitchen rather than murder.

cromag · 06-03-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crich70

I wouldn't think you would want a piece that was easily traced back to you either. Serial #'s are hard to erase and if there is a paper trail the police will come calling sooner or later if the gun is just tossed after use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special

I gotta go along with crich70 on this -- if you're gonna whack someone in the bathroom you're liable to leave a paper trail.

Stitchawl · 06-03-2013, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VydorScope

You know the typical weapon of choice for a female is poison, not a gun. Just a thought...

I thought it was a check book...

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Originally Posted by crich70

Now there is a thought. He's having his favorite dish in the restaurant, gets up to relieve himself, and while he's gone she spikes his food with something that isn't easily detected in the food in question.

Nicotine, if he's a smoker... A little dab'll do ya.

Stitchawl

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Stitchawl Opsimath Posts: 12,344 Karma: 187123287 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chiang Mai, Northern Thailand Device: Sony PRS-650, iPhone 5, Kobo Glo, Sony PRS-350, iPad, Samsung Galaxy	Ballistically, a .22 long rifle has as much knock-down power as a .25acp, and is a LOT quieter. A .380 auto, while the same diameter as a .357mag or a .38 special, has almost no stopping power unless loaded with frangible rounds. But they certainly are cute. Stitchawl

06-02-2013, 07:29 AM	#94
pspearing Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ohio Device: Kindle Fire, Sony eReader	I seem to recall reading that some covert agencies have used Ruger Mk IIs with the bolt locked, but that's not something one carries around most of the time. A typical carry gun is not easily suppressed. What was the scenario of the bathroom killing in The Godfather? Wasn't it essentially forget the noise and get away quickly? It's been a while since I read it.

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crich70 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,310 Karma: 43993832 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	I wouldn't think you would want a piece that was easily traced back to you either. Serial #'s are hard to erase and if there is a paper trail the police will come calling sooner or later if the gun is just tossed after use. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special

06-02-2013, 10:06 AM	#96
gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,818 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	No one has brought up BB guns. I don't know what the hand-gun versions are able to do, but modern air-rifles can be lethal - and they're quiet.

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VydorScope Wizard Posts: 3,418 Karma: 35207650 Join Date: Jun 2011 Device: iPad	You know the typical weapon of choice for a female is poison, not a gun. Just a thought...