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Old 03-29-2012, 05:00 PM   #91
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The main issue I have with 'romance' books is the apparent requirement for them to include sex. Sex is not romance, romance is not sex. Lust is not the same as love, and romance is (should be?) about love, not lust.

Something could be extremely romantic without anybody every removing a single item of clothing, or be essentially pornographic without being slightly romantic.

I edged into romance from crime novels with JD Robb (Nora Roberts), and frankly none of them would have suffered if the sex scenes had simply been removed.
Have you tried something like the Amelia Peabody books by Elizabeth Peters? Those are considered Romance and as far as I recall all the sex takes place off page.

I've read many Nora Roberts novels that I enjoy but oddly, I've never been able to get into the JD Robb books. I've tried several times and I always quit reading.
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Jeez if I knew this book was about recommendations I might've clicked sooner. I have no desire to read Fifty Shades of Grey.
As someone who reads 95% romance, I have no desire to read Fifty Shades of Grey either. I glanced at the writing style and groaned. I have no idea why it's so popular. Just another fad like Twilight and it's horrible writing.
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_These Old Shades_ by Georgette Heyer.

Unfortunately the ebook is the not the cheapest available edition.
So noted... and thanks for the recommendation.
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Hmm, I never thought romance novels had to have sex in them because I've read romance novels that don't have sex in them. They're usually romantic comedies but they're still romances. I read one a few months back called Pinch Me that had no sex scenes at all. I just read I've Got Your Number, which also had no sex scenes. They both allude to the heroine having sex but the sex takes place off the page.

I'm sure I've read some non-comedic romances that also don't have sex but I'll have to think a little harder about that. Anyway, I hope other posters have established that romance does not equal porn for women. There is porn for women but it's not romance novels.

As for 50 Shades of Grey, I will never read that. I just don't get how people can be turned on by domination, abuse and manipulation (and I'm not talking about the BDSM). That's not sexy or romantic.
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Hmm, I never thought romance novels had to have sex in them because I've read romance novels that don't have sex in them. They're usually romantic comedies but they're still romances. I read one a few months back called Pinch Me that had no sex scenes at all. I just read I've Got Your Number, which also had no sex scenes. They both allude to the heroine having sex but the sex takes place off the page.

I'm sure I've read some non-comedic romances that also don't have sex but I'll have to think a little harder about that. Anyway, I hope other posters have established that romance does not equal porn for women. There is porn for women but it's not romance novels.
I have read many romances with no sex in them. All Inspirational romances don't have that in them. YA Romances definitely don't have that in them and there are alot of romance authors out there that write clean romances or the sex happens as you said off the page. The older regencies are one to come to mind not just Heyer. If you google clean romances you will find more titles that aren't so ancient. Lyn Kurland is another that comes to mind.

All Nascar Harlequins don't have sex in them. NASCAR won't allow it or Drinking or Crashing. Being a NASCAR fan I found that rather disappointing the no crashing that is...
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Sex scenes should be integral to the plot and character development. I mean, there is basically an entire subgenre of category romance based on the baby-conceived-during-a-one-night-stand idea.
The fact that the characters have had sex is integral to the plot.
Is the positions used and details of the grunts and moans integral to the plot?
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Have you tried something like the Amelia Peabody books by Elizabeth Peters? Those are considered Romance and as far as I recall all the sex takes place off page.
Yes, I've read those, but hadn't even considered them romance novels.
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The main issue I have with 'romance' books is the apparent requirement for them to include sex. Sex is not romance, romance is not sex. Lust is not the same as love, and romance is (should be?) about love, not lust.

Something could be extremely romantic without anybody every removing a single item of clothing, or be essentially pornographic without being slightly romantic.

I edged into romance from crime novels with JD Robb (Nora Roberts), and frankly none of them would have suffered if the sex scenes had simply been removed.
There are tons and tons of romances with no sex! If you don't mind lots and lots of angst, one of my favorites is Remembrance by Jude Devereux.

One of my favorite romances has 1 sex scene but a ton of sexual tension: Bet Me by Jennifer Crusie.


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I have read many romances with no sex in them. All Inspirational romances don't have that in them. YA Romances definitely don't have that in them and there are alot of romance authors out there that write clean romances or the sex happens as you said off the page. The older regencies are one to come to mind not just Heyer. If you google clean romances you will find more titles that aren't so ancient. Lyn Kurland is another that comes to mind.

All Nascar Harlequins don't have sex in them. NASCAR won't allow it or Drinking or Crashing. Being a NASCAR fan I found that rather disappointing the no crashing that is...
I've read a few of the NASCAR themed romances - I wondered about that!
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I read one romance where there was a lot of sexual tension but the sex scene came at the end. I can't remember the name of it now. Actually the novel itself was rather run of the mill but I still remember it because it delayed the sex scene so much, more than in other romance novels with sex scenes.
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i remember my very first clash with romance novels. i was a young teen when i saw a nora roberts novel on my sister's shelf. i didn't realize it was romance until i saw the cover, and then suspiciously skimmed the book. it was the erotica parts that got me hooked. strangely enough, now i prefer m/m romance )
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There are tons and tons of romances with no sex!
I think the problem is the same that you see in the fantasy genre. There are lots of excellent fantasy stories which don't involve orphaned children discovering they have magical powers and saving the world, and don't features dwarves, elves and the rest of cookie-cutter fantasy 101, but for someone coming in from the outside, there is such an overwhelming amount does does fit that mold, because it is so much easier to write, that you'd never see the interesting stuff.

In the same way, perhaps erotica is simply easier to write than romance.
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getting back to the original topic for a moment, apparently movie rights for 50 Shades has been sold for a huge amount of money.

SmartBitchesTrashyBooks has an interesting discussion on this.

http://smartbitchestrashybooks.com/b...-movie-success
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Have you tried something like the Amelia Peabody books by Elizabeth Peters? Those are considered Romance and as far as I recall all the sex takes place off page.
If anyone is interested in these, Amazon is offering a preorder for an omnibus of books 1-4 for the whopping price of $1.31.
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oh, I love the Amelias! Ah, Emerson (pats heart).

They're also amazingly read by Barbara Rosenblat in audio.

If you want an audio tour-de-force, listen to her reading of Night Train to Memphis. At the end, she sings a country and western song in an American, British, and German accent. astonishing.
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