In Switzerland Downloading Copyrighted Materials for personal Use is Legal

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Originally Posted by afa

The Swiss have always been evil.

Just look at what they've given us. Cheese and chocolate and army knives... all are bad for your health.

Don't forget Watches. They create anxiety for those obsessed with time.

[xg4bx]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Piracy is not simply an issue for large corporations. There are an awful lot of individuals who rely on intellectual property rights to make their living, whether it be in the field of software, books, or music. I have, for example, on several occasions found people selling pirated version of my software on eBay, and while I have on occasions been successful in taking action against those involved, I'm sure that those that I do catch are merely the tip of the iceberg.

and that to me, is what piracy is-someone else directly profiting from your work and intentionally setting out to screw you. piracy to me is good old fashioned bootlegging.

someone who just downloads your software doesn't know who you are, they just need a program that does X and may have never even heard of your software until they came across it.they may even end up legally purchasing the next installment/update or whatever from you.

to translate that to ebooks, if someone was selling and profiting off of ripped and burnt to dvd ebooks by selling them on ebay or flea market/boot sale, thats when it becomes piracy. someone "trying" a book from an author theyre iffy about doesn't meet the criteria imo.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by karunaji

Another way to deal with losses from piracy is to actually sell digital products to willing customers. Every time a book/movie/game is sold with georestrictions, it encourages piracy in other regions. Internet has no borders and it will be very hard to convince people that these obsolete distribution models are good for society, authors, publishers or consumers.

Exactly

[starrlamia]

Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

Well, I believe she did compete for Switzerland in Eurovision Song Contest. Just can't remember when. Thought she might have emigrated to Canada after that.

Not that Im a fan of her and her creepy husband but she was born and raised in Quebec. She however represent Switzerland for that for some reason.

[BuddyBoy]

Originally Posted by Kumabjorn

Isn't Celine Dion Swiss?

Mon Dieu! Also Zut Alors! We in Canada can but wish it so.

[Kumabjorn]

My sincere apologies to all Canadians, I mainly remember her for representing Switzerland. Thought you had to be a national of the country you represented. This is however a tad OT for thsi thread, over and out.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by xg4bx

and that to me, is what piracy is-someone else directly profiting from your work and intentionally setting out to screw you. piracy to me is good old fashioned bootlegging.

someone who just downloads your software doesn't know who you are, they just need a program that does X and may have never even heard of your software until they came across it.they may even end up legally purchasing the next installment/update or whatever from you.
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If you get something you should pay for for free, how did you not directly profit? Why make excuses, just take what is really free if you want to be cheap.

And frankly, the software example you give is very naive, life isn't a feel good movie.

Of course the uploaders are worse, but it is the downloaders' demand that keeps them going.

And for a rich country like Switzerland to do something like that makes no sense at all. It is a slap in the face of all countries whose economy depends on such exports.

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

And for a rich country like Switzerland to do something like that makes no sense at all. It is a slap in the face of all countries whose economy depends on such exports.

I do not think there are many countries relying on such a narrow form of export dollar to fuel their economies.

Furthermore, this legislation sends a clear message to the entertainment/music and publishing industries that they also MUST make changes. At this point in time any changes are small and token. Yet still they persist in providing an overpriced product that not many are interested in purchasing at that price.

Never mind. The cave is warm and dry and that shelters them from the big bad world outside.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by sabredog

I do not think there are many countries relying on such a narrow form of export dollar to fuel their economies.

Furthermore, this legislation sends a clear message to the entertainment/music and publishing industries that they also MUST make changes. At this point in time any changes are small and token. Yet still they persist in providing an overpriced product that not many are interested in purchasing at that price.

Never mind. The cave is warm and dry and that shelters them from the big bad world outside.

The US is the most important one of these countries. For Switzerland's entertainment needs, however Germany and France also come to mind.

This legislation sends a clear message to the US entertainment industry that they must lobby the US government to put pressure on Switzerland to reverse this and will give them more ammunition in their fight to keep DRM and regional restrictions. I can hear them now "whole countries are legalizing theft!" Is that what you want?

Not interested in purchasing those overpriced products? Great, then don't read or watch them -- that will teach them. And those products are much more expensive than they have to be because honest people pay the tab for the downloaders.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

This legislation sends a clear message to the US entertainment industry that they must lobby the US government to put pressure on Switzerland to reverse this and will give them more ammunition in their fight to keep DRM and regional restrictions. I can hear them now "whole countries are legalizing theft!" Is that what you want?

Read what I posted will you?

This is exactly what big corporations are trying to do, that is to dictate and influence government policy to JUSTIFY their failed and anachronistic business models. It is a shame you cannot see that.

Not interested in purchasing those overpriced products? Great, then don't read or watch them -- that will teach them. And those products are much more expensive than they have to be because honest people pay the tab for the downloaders.

Do you have ANY inclining of how human behaviour actually works? Also, your argument about pricing product so high is a load of cobblers. They price the damn movies so high because they rip consumers off.

Bring prices and availability down and products will sell. Provide better methods of distribution. Use those litigation dollars and employ savvy forward thinking people instead of copyright trolls. That much is bleeding obvious....to some....

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Do you have ANY inclining of how human behaviour actually works? Also, your argument about pricing product so high is a load of cobblers. They price the damn movies so high because they rip consumers off.

Movies? Like a DVD or showing in a theater?

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Movies? Like a DVD or showing in a theater?

Both.

Retail for a blu-ray movie here is between AU$35-50, a DVD will be around AU$25.

To see a movie here will set you back AU$22 for an adult or for a 3D movie, that costs around $30-35 depending on the cinema chain and screen size. The last time I took my wife and youngest daughter to a 3D movie (Last HP movie) it cost me $120 (including one large popcorn to share and 3 small drinks)

I can buy both DVD's and blu-rays cheaper from the UK than Australia and frequently do, but the cost is still far higher than it needs to be.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Fbone

I have difficulty believing all these independent studies because you are relying on the honesty of the respondents. If a downloader is questioned about his possibly unlawful behavior, human tendency is to offer an excuse to justify it. And telling the interviewer that you purchase "ten times" more content than non-downloaders is what everyone wants to believe.

I doubt they would phrase it that way, it would be more likely to come from a series of questions, including purchases made. It tends to be corporations with a vested interest that skew questions to get the results that they are looking for.

[Richey79]

A move like this does show how ridiculous it is to base an economy on designing things and yet paying someone on the other side of the world to build them. You end up with no real commodity to sell.

Also, If Canada can't be in the Eurovision song contest, why can Israel ?

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by karunaji

Why should we care about a single lost or gained sale? Only average sales are important. It is possible that the original assumption that people who download pirated content spend the same amount of money on entertainment is not exactly true. But then again, if we don't really know then we should carefully study the issue instead of making unwarranted assumptions.

In the sense that it is possible that there aren't any pink unicorns at the bottom of my garden, yes that is correct.