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Old 11-22-2011, 12:27 PM   #46
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I think this is just a ruse. In the case of a lawsuit Penguin might have to justify why they permitted non-Amazon ebooks at the library but wouldn't permit the Amazon books. They wanted to yank the Kindle versions but not all their library ebooks, so they're using this security garbage as an excuse. At least that's my guess.
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And what garbage it is. It is just as easy to remove the DRM from epub as it is from mobi/azw.
I'm inclined to agree.

I'd still like to know what they hope to accomplish.
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Old 11-22-2011, 12:50 PM   #47
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All this will inspire is the following: download the epub, open with Calibre (with tools) and convert to mobi, send to Kindle...
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Old 11-22-2011, 01:10 PM   #48
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Only if you know how to convert ebook formats and most of America is clueless about these things.

If Penguin is going to argue that this was done for security reasons then they should only allow books from the IStore to be loaned since that is the only DRM I know of that has not been hacked.
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Old 11-22-2011, 02:57 PM   #49
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Only if you know how to convert ebook formats and most of America is clueless about these things.
Maybe they need to be taught then... How can you get a couple of magazines to report on these procedures?
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We cannot post how to do it on this website for legal reasons. No magazine or newspaper is going to post how you strip DRM and convert the files.
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:01 PM   #51
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I know the solution... Keep the Amazon away from library eBooks. It seems that every time Amazon is involved in something new (new to the Kindle) to do with eBooks, we end up paying for it somehow in a not good way.

Agency model & library book debacle with Penguin are two things that are not good for eBooks and Amazon is smack bang in the middle it all of this.
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:18 PM   #52
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I know the solution... Keep the Amazon away from library eBooks.
What took you so long?
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:28 PM   #53
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Amazon and Penguin have a beef going on and the rest of us (non-Kindle users) get caught in the crossfire.

So why is it when anything goes wrong with eBooks, Amazon is right there in the middle of it?
Because Amazon is the organization that lifted ebooks from obscurity and transformed them from the province of geeks to a mainstream commodity? Because by doing so, they made themselves the larges ebook retailer by a large margin?
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:29 PM   #54
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Won't work if the eBooks aren't available to pirate.
? Where did all those Harry Potter ebooks come from, then?
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I think this is just a ruse. In the case of a lawsuit Penguin might have to justify why they permitted non-Amazon ebooks at the library but wouldn't permit the Amazon books. They wanted to yank the Kindle versions but not all their library ebooks, so they're using this security garbage as an excuse. At least that's my guess.
Given that they didn't also pull their books from the Kindle store, which uses the same exact DRM (or even tougher DRM, for that matter), this ruse would be quickly exposed in court.
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Amazon is in the middle of these things because the Publishers fear Amazon. Plain and simple. Agency Pricing, which hurt all of those who read e-books, is a reaction to Amazon lowering e-book prices.

Now Penguin is throwing a hissy fit because it fears a market dominated by Amazon. How library books on a Kindle hurt Penguin but library books on a Sony are fine is beyond me. Penguin is throwing a temper tantrum and acting like a spoiled child.

And posts like JSWolf's are simply re-enforcing that childish behavior and attitude.

Since Amazon and Overdrive worked out the technical problems or whatever the hold up was, there is no good reason to tell people with Kindles that they cannot check out library books. I don't care that folks with Sonys and Nooks and Kobos are bummed that the library lines got longer. Kindle users pay library fees just like Sony users and are entitled to check e-books out from the library just like any other ereader users.
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I know the solution... Keep the Amazon away from library eBooks. It seems that every time Amazon is involved in something new (new to the Kindle) to do with eBooks, we end up paying for it somehow in a not good way.

Agency model & library book debacle with Penguin are two things that are not good for eBooks and Amazon is smack bang in the middle it all of this.
The Agency model was (partially) Apple's doing, not Amazon's. Unless you are claiming that Amazon is to blame for giving consumers better prices on ebooks, provoking the Publisher's backlash and Apple's opportunism?
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I know the solution... Keep the Amazon away from library eBooks. It seems that every time Amazon is involved in something new (new to the Kindle) to do with eBooks, we end up paying for it somehow in a not good way.

Agency model & library book debacle with Penguin are two things that are not good for eBooks and Amazon is smack bang in the middle it all of this.
NOW this thread looks familiar!
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I know the solution... Keep the Amazon away from library eBooks. It seems that every time Amazon is involved in something new (new to the Kindle) to do with eBooks, we end up paying for it somehow in a not good way.

Agency model & library book debacle with Penguin are two things that are not good for eBooks and Amazon is smack bang in the middle it all of this.
Before Amazon got into the ebook market there was a selection of tens of thousands of ebooks, now there is a selection of over a million ebooks. So shouldn't Amazon get credit for that? Also, we had $9.99 best sellers because of Amazon, at least until Apple got involved.
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Penguin ebooks in Kindle format have been restored according to Overdrive.

No new Penguin published ebooks will be available in Overdrive at this time.

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