Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited

[khalleron]

Originally Posted by ArmorDog

Kindlekitten is trying to sell us that piece of wood, saying "Look at this great bookshelf! Tools? It takes LITERALLY NO TOOLS! It's a bookshelf already. I know it's a bookshelf because a lawyer on the internet said so."

Actually, someone *claiming* to be a lawyer said something KindleKitten agreed with, so it must be gospel. No need for a court case, it's been stated on a Kindle forum. By someone claiming to be a Real Live Lawyer.

I've known lots of lawyers - I've lived with several. Not a single one of them would have done this. No (good) lawyer is going to give free advice on an Internet forum, especially about an issue with *no* court cases to back it up.

You've been had, Kitten.

[RockdaMan]

Originally Posted by ApK

the Kindle's ability or inability to use library books.

Thats about as important to Kindle users as being able to drive a motorcycle is to Yeti.

Maybe the library patrons want to be able to use a Kindle. Is that what the discussion is about?

[iandix]

I remember when only the nook had the book lending feature and Kindle owners use to always say .."Oh..that is useless and it's a gimmick we don't need or want that feature" but as soon as Amazon offered that feature .. it changed to ... "what a great thing Amazon has done" and all these websites started to offer a way to lend out books.

If Amazon made it easier for people to borrow books from the library, I bet they will be shouting it from roof tops..

[ApK]

Originally Posted by iandix

I remember when only the nook had the book lending feature and Kindle owners use to always say .."Oh..that is useless and it's a gimmick we don't need or want that feature" but as soon as Amazon offered that feature .. it changed to ... "what a great thing Amazon has done" and all these websites started to offer a way to lend out books.

If Amazon made it easier for people to borrow books from the library, I bet they will be shouting it from roof tops..

I see no evidence around here that what you're saying is true.

The lending was a 'Meh' for most Kindle folks when B&N had it and it's a 'Meh' now that Kindle has it. It was simply one feature bullet that the nook had, and now they both have it. Give people a new feature, even a Meh one, and some folks will be happy to use it.

For library books, many people have been saying they wish Kindle had supported ADE library lending all along.
What's the big surprise there if they were to be happy if they got it?
I certainly would prefer it if it was a supported feature, despite the fact that easily doable as is.

ApK

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by Poppaea

Methinks KindleKitten forgets the fact that this is an international forum and even if it may be legal in her country (which I doubt, it is just not persecuted) it might not be legal in everyone elses countries, so shouting from every roof top it is legal is just not the right thing to do IMO.

it is everyone's responsibility to be informed of the rules in their own country. the argument is that it is not possible to read library books on a Kindle, that has been proven ad nauseum to be incorrect. DRM stripping is hydra having multi faceted issues being legality, ethics and ability. in this country IT IS NOT ILLEGAL. for everything else, buyer beware

Originally Posted by karunaji

I think that Kindlekitten is trolling but it is a well meaning troll. It is more important to let people know that they can read everything on Kindle and worry about technical details later than scare them of non-existing legal issues. Even if it is illegal by some laws, the probability of someone being sued before established precedent is practically zero.

hello Kettle

Originally Posted by JSWolf

kindlekitten ... while it may be legal to strip DRM from eBooks you bought, library eBooks are a different story. That very well may not be legal. What does the lawyer on the other forum have to say about stripping the DRM from library eBooks?

there are none so blind as those that cannot see. this discussion took place on this very forum

Originally Posted by ArmorDog

Kindlekitten is trying to sell us that piece of wood, saying "Look at this great bookshelf! Tools? It takes LITERALLY NO TOOLS! It's a bookshelf already. I know it's a bookshelf because a lawyer on the internet said so."

if you are going to attempt to quote me, try to do it correctly

Originally Posted by khalleron

Actually, someone *claiming* to be a lawyer said something KindleKitten agreed with, so it must be gospel. No need for a court case, it's been stated on a Kindle forum. By someone claiming to be a Real Live Lawyer.

I've known lots of lawyers - I've lived with several. Not a single one of them would have done this. No (good) lawyer is going to give free advice on an Internet forum, especially about an issue with *no* court cases to back it up.

You've been had, Kitten.

bully for you. I'm the daughter of one and worked as his para-legal. I am very aware of the case that provided the "personal use" argument. when I brought that up, the lawyer in question (who had self identified earlier and has been a member here for quite some time) confirmed that I had been saying and continue to say is correct. in fact it was enough to get Harry T off the bandwagon.

...oh looky there!!!! puppies!

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

in fact it was enough to get Harry T off the bandwagon.

Nope. Still very much on the bandwagon. Just got bored with going round and round in circles with you. Other people can say it just as well as I can, as this thread has shown.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by iandix

I remember when only the nook had the book lending feature and Kindle owners use to always say .."Oh..that is useless and it's a gimmick we don't need or want that feature" but as soon as Amazon offered that feature .. it changed to ... "what a great thing Amazon has done" and all these websites started to offer a way to lend out books.

If Amazon made it easier for people to borrow books from the library, I bet they will be shouting it from roof tops..

The problem with such wide sweeping generalizations, is that they are usually quite wrong.

Originally Posted by ApK

I see no evidence around here that what you're saying is true.

The lending was a 'Meh' for most Kindle folks when B&N had it and it's a 'Meh' now that Kindle has it. It was simply one feature bullet that the nook had, and now they both have it. Give people a new feature, even a Meh one, and some folks will be happy to use it.

For library books, many people have been saying they wish Kindle had supported ADE library lending all along.
What's the big surprise there if they were to be happy if they got it?
I certainly would prefer it if it was a supported feature, despite the fact that easily doable as is.

ApK

I agree with what Apk has said (despite the generalizations).

I don't know about "most" Kindle users, but both my husband and I actually took the lending thing into consideration when comparing the Kindle vs the Nook.
The library feature wouldn't really do us any good (at this time, anyway) as our local library does not support e-books. We would have to move one county over to take advantage of the option.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Mine doesn't.

I don't know what library you use, but your side profile thingy says you're in Denver? Denver Public Library does:
http://downloadmedia.denverlibrary.o...StartGuide.htm

MP3 audio books are non DRMed and I'm pretty sure that the way OMC handles video to mobile devices is on the honor system as well.

[iandix]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I'm the daughter of one and worked as his para-legal.

Well... that makes you an expert then!

How about sending an email to the publisher with a list of all the books you stripped the DRM from and tell them your name and address.. this will prove us all wrong and we will then bow down the the altar of the Kindle.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

I agree with what Apk has said (despite the generalizations).

I don't know about "most" Kindle users...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but "most kindle users whose posts on the topic I recall seeing here and on other websites...." would have broken the flow of my prose.

Suffice to say that unless I state otherwise, I am not using scientific sampling.

ApK

[covingtoncat73]

Originally Posted by ApK

I don't know what library you use, but your side profile thingy says you're in Denver? Denver Public Library does:
http://downloadmedia.denverlibrary.o...StartGuide.htm

MP3 audio books are non DRMed and I'm pretty sure that the way OMC handles video to mobile devices is on the honor system as well.

Yeah. I have been using my library's eAudiobooks on my iPod for awhile now, maybe as much as 2 years, I forget. They used to not support iPod for their eAudio but now even most of the WMA will work with the iPod. I have a GREAT public library in suburban Louisiana, no less. In the city, they have less than 300 ePubs available. On the Northshore, we have over 1200 available and over 600 of those are fiction. I guess all the rich people moving from the city and building McMansions for the last few decades is good for funding the library system (and the schools) but it sure is bad for the pine trees, rivers, and drainage.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by ApK

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but "most kindle users whose posts I recall seeing here and on other websites...." would have broken the flow of my prose.

Suffice to say that unless I state otherwise, I am not using scientific sampling.

ApK

LOL! I added that becuase I was pointing out the use of generalizations! I understood what you meant!! I added the disclaimer for my own benefit so that i would not be guilty of doing the exact sma thing I was pointing out; call is self preservation.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ApK

Is there some reason to think they'd work differently? I though it was the same mechanism.

Perhaps someone who has a relevant device would try it and let us know for sure.

ApK

I do know that time limited Adept DRM is different then all the time Adept DRM. So my guess is that time limited Mobipocket DRM may be different as well.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Amazon mobi drm is slightly different than standard mobi drm....at least that's my understanding.

Amazon uses Mobipocket as the underlying format and they've changed the DRM slightly in terms of the PID. Also they use different servers for handling the DRM then Mobipocket does.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by queentess

You're looking for something that reads library DRM'ed mobi books on a Mac?

I'm just wondering what apps there are for portable devices (other then Windows) that will handle library Mobipocket DRM.