HarperCollins Puts 26 Loan Cap on Ebook Circulations

[pietrocrazy]

Originally Posted by aagstn

Libraries are part of the Progressive agenda that is ruining America. I'm sure once we have public libraries and other progressive ideas like public schools eliminated we can finally have the perfect America Beck and his ilk dream of.

I really do believe that if libraries didn't already exist, Americans would oppose their creation and call them "socialist", "big government", part of the "welfare state".

[kennyc]

Yeah we don't want none a that socialized book-learnin'!

[wyndslash]

welfare state, eh? i know some that are rather successful

[Joykins]

Originally Posted by OtterBooks

I suspect someone could have also made a video of books that had been checked out 10 times and ruined. Handpicked examples that support their point isn't so convincing in itself. That said, the HC limitation does seem rather low, and my guess is the policy will be adjusted at some point.

A book can be ruined after one checkout. I once accidentally dropped a book into a toilet (I had just purchased it the day before). Most of the library books last a long time in good shape but every now and then one gets ruined quickly.

[rhadin]

Originally Posted by pietrocrazy

I really do believe that if libraries didn't already exist, Americans would oppose their creation and call them "socialist", "big government", part of the "welfare state".

Actually, Americans did oppose their creation. It took Andrew Carnegie's perserverance and wealth to establish the free, public library. Benjamin Franklin's library system, which was the original library system in America, was a for-profit library to which one paid a fee.

Carnegie, an immigrant to America who made his fortune in steel, among other enterprises, valued education and the public good. He was the original true philanthropist in that he gave away all his money to public welfare causes. He also championed free public education, which was something else most Americans opposed.

[Fbone]

Originally Posted by rhadin

Actually, Americans did oppose their creation. It took Andrew Carnegie's perserverance and wealth to establish the free, public library. Benjamin Franklin's library system, which was the original library system in America, was a for-profit library to which one paid a fee.

Carnegie, an immigrant to America who made his fortune in steel, among other enterprises, valued education and the public good. He was the original true philanthropist in that he gave away all his money to public welfare causes. He also championed free public education, which was something else most Americans opposed.

My library is a Carnegie funded one. As are many others in US, UK, Ireland, Australia, etc.

[FF2]

Here's a listing of those that were built in WA State and their current status or GONE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._in_Washington

Two are what I'd call my current ones, both within walking distance and still functioning.

[rhadin]

For a tongue-in-cheek (or perhaps not so tongue-in-cheek) look at right-wing America and HarperCollins' creeping socialism, I invite you to read my blog post today: Sarah, Where Are You? Capitalism in eBookville.

[kennyc]

Love it Richard!

[silasgreenback]

Originally Posted by rhadin

For a tongue-in-cheek (or perhaps not so tongue-in-cheek) look at right-wing America and HarperCollins' creeping socialism, I invite you to read my blog post today: Sarah, Where Are You? Capitalism in eBookville.

[pietrocrazy]

Originally Posted by rhadin

Actually, Americans did oppose their creation. It took Andrew Carnegie's perserverance and wealth to establish the free, public library. Benjamin Franklin's library system, which was the original library system in America, was a for-profit library to which one paid a fee.

Carnegie, an immigrant to America who made his fortune in steel, among other enterprises, valued education and the public good. He was the original true philanthropist in that he gave away all his money to public welfare causes. He also championed free public education, which was something else most Americans opposed.

That's really quite interesting. Thank you for pointing it out!

I lived in France for a little while, and I remember being shocked that I had to pay for access to the public library. It was a measly 9 euros a year, but it had never even occurred to me before that people would pay to go to the library. It just goes to show you how ingrained libraries are in our culture.

Side note: I'm from Washington D.C., and I remember being similarly shocked the first time I went to New York and had to pay to go in a museum! Sadly, though, the era of free entry into the Smithsonian may soon be behind us

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by pietrocrazy

That's really quite interesting. Thank you for pointing it out!

I lived in France for a little while, and I remember being shocked that I had to pay for access to the public library. It was a measly 9 euros a year, but it had never even occurred to me before that people would pay to go to the library. It just goes to show you how ingrained libraries are in our culture.

Side note: I'm from Washington D.C., and I remember being similarly shocked the first time I went to New York and had to pay to go in a museum! Sadly, though, the era of free entry into the Smithsonian may soon be behind us

Public libraries aren't free. Tax dollars support them.

Expect to see more user fees for services implemented in the future in conjunction with current tax subsidies. National Parks are an example. Even though they're funded with tax dollars, you still have to pay an entrance fee.

[pietrocrazy]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Public libraries aren't free. Tax dollars support them.

Public schools are also supported by taxes, and yes, we still call them "free" because people don't pay to use them.

[natasha_fawn]

Originally Posted by pietrocrazy

That's really quite interesting. Thank you for pointing it out!

I lived in France for a little while, and I remember being shocked that I had to pay for access to the public library. It was a measly 9 euros a year, but it had never even occurred to me before that people would pay to go to the library. It just goes to show you how ingrained libraries are in our culture.

Side note: I'm from Washington D.C., and I remember being similarly shocked the first time I went to New York and had to pay to go in a museum! Sadly, though, the era of free entry into the Smithsonian may soon be behind us

I didn't realize that the system in France has a fee. Growing up in the states I couldn't get a library card because we lived outside the city limits. We could have paid the library directly, but it would have been too expensive. I was so jealous of all my friends who could borrow from the library! (I could still go to the library, though, thankfully. I would have been devastated if I couldn't go at all.)

[Natasha Dupoin]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

That's better.

Lol. They are doing it only for profit. An eBook should not have an expiry date.