Paperwhite Second Gen: First Impressions

[7hir7een]

Originally Posted by xendula

I see very, very faint green-pink hues, but by no means near the PW1, and I am sure most people can't even detect them.

When you guys have some extra time, check how your color vision is with this online test. It is certainly an eye opener. It does not work on tablets/phones.

4. Just some slight troubles with the blue/green.

[allowingtoo]

YAY! I received the new Paperwhite and thank goodness, it's better than the first one. The text is nice and crisp, and black this time!!! The whiter background color is not apparent in the daylight, I have to take it into a dark room and close the door and then I can tell the difference. Although I have to say I prefer the blue white of the first generation of the Paperwhite, like in diamonds This still has that taint of off white.

One thing I was really hoping for in this generation was that they had made the left margin for page return smaller darn it. Sometimes you just want to hold it with your left hand - didn't they think of that?

[booklover6]

Originally Posted by treadlightly

Just curious, how do you like the PW2 screen compared to the Glo?

I think the PW2 screen is better.

[Chi Cygni]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

Yes, mine is definitely a pinhole, unfortunately. First thing I did was clean the screen in that area and it's still there. Sad to say that I'm an old pro now at knowing each PW issue and possible solutions for it, LOL.

I definitely think you made the right choice keeping yours. I'm seeing more and more that the variation between PW's can differ more than you might expect. I had 2 PW2s and the lighting and color of the screen was different on both of them. One being a creamy yellow tint and the other being a slightly cooler white. So not all the PW2's have the yellow tint, some are slightly cooler in tone.

They both had pinholes though and the first one also had a few black specks. Dust trapped between the screens, I assume. I think it's a great reader, but since I wasn't 100% happy with mine, I think I'm best off just sticking with my PW1 for now. I'm glad you're so pleased with yours. I'm actually very used to my PW1 now so I'm ok sticking with it for another year.

Thank you, I think I indeed made right decision. Although the geek in me was a bit perplexed at not waiting for the latest model, anyway I decided to stick to what's good and tested rather than start circus with unknown end result. I bored everyone within the hearing range about what I should do, return or not, considering for a month, no wonder some people don't want to go for coffee with me at work these days

I am really sorry you didn't find a good PW2 in the end but I can imagine, even the thought of a pinhole makes my skin crawl.

I tried to take lots of pictures of my PW1 with different cameras but I cannot achieve what I see in reality been sweating for 2 hours now over photos and it just won't work, it adds blue tint which is not there. Sniff.

[tilia]

Originally Posted by xendula

I see very, very faint green-pink hues, but by no means near the PW1, and I am sure most people can't even detect them.

When you guys have some extra time, check how your color vision is with this online test. It is certainly an eye opener. It does not work on tablets/phones.

Thanks for the link, fun test! I got 0, on a screen that's not calibrated.

[sirmaru]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

I can't show you one on the PW2, but I have an old saved pic from one of my earlier PW1's from last year as Amazon asked me for a pic of the glowing specks. This one had two pinholes or glowing specks. I've highlighted around them in red.

Those pinholes would not even be noticeable without the red lines around them. There are far more white spots in that picture.

In a normal reading pane fonts only occupy less than 10% of screen mass and background 90%. The odds of seeing those on a letter must be a 100 to 1 against the occurrence. Even if you saw it on a letter, it would not impede reading the font.

Accumulated dust would be far more of a problem and could be just cleaned off on a periodic basis if it became noticeable.

The only way they would be noticeable is if you used white fonts on a black background and, even then, they would be irrelevant.

That is the reason that not one of the one star reviews on the PW 2013 page at Amazon has even mentioned pin holes.

Order another PW 2013 and just live with "problems" like that if it happens again. It is really a great reading device.

[benjamin11900]

Originally Posted by xendula

I see very, very faint green-pink hues, but by no means near the PW1, and I am sure most people can't even detect them.

When you guys have some extra time, check how your color vision is with this online test. It is certainly an eye opener. It does not work on tablets/phones.

I got 3. But I don't think you can perform such a test on a computer screen. TN screens might not show the differences between some colors whereas an IPS screen (I do have one) will show them.

[benjamin11900]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

Those pinholes would not even be noticeable without the red lines around them. There are far more white spots in that picture.

In a normal reading pane fonts only occupy less than 10% of screen mass and background 90%. The odds of seeing those on a letter must be a 100 to 1 against the occurrence. Even if you saw it on a letter, it would not impede reading the font.

Accumulated dust would be far more of a problem and could be just cleaned off on a periodic basis if it became noticeable.

The only way they would be noticeable is if you used white fonts on a black background and, even then, they would be irrelevant.

That is the reason that not one of the one star reviews on the PW 2013 page at Amazon has even mentioned pin holes.

Order another PW 2013 and just live with "problems" like that if it happens again. It is really a great reading device.

Do you work for Amazon ? Every time I see a message written by you on this thread, this is either :
- people are imagining pinholes
- blotches only exist cause people imagine them
- there are X 5-stars review on Amazon
- ...

It seems you have a bad sight so please could you stop arguing about something you've never even seen on any paperwhite ?

If I turn on a new LCD monitor and if there's a dead pixel, that's the first thing I'm gonna see. You'd just probably never see it, that's doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[sirmaru]

Originally Posted by benjamin11900

Do you work for Amazon ? Every time I see a message written by you on this thread, this is either :
- people are imagining pinholes
- blotches only exist cause people imagine them
- there are X 5-stars review on Amazon
- ...

It seems you have a bad sight so please could you stop arguing about something you've never even seen on any paperwhite ?

If I turn on a new LCD monitor and if there's a dead pixel, that's the first thing I'm gonna see. You'd just probably never see it, that's doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I read and drive without any glasses, have a large cataract in my right eye and see perfectly through it. I also have some Macular Degeneration which is stable at the moment. My vision tests on both eyes are still 20/20. Even if I saw a dead pixel on a monitor or TV, I'd never even bother with it. They are NOT relevant to the use of those devices.

However, we all have different tolerance zones for problems. Mine are very forgiving.

Some folks run to the doctor for a single pain. I've had serious pains in my long life and never treated any of them. Somehow, all my friends, who did treat them, are all DEAD. However, we all have different pain tolerances as well.

The proper forum for reporting problems with the PW 2013 is the page for it on Amazon. I have read all the one star reviews and not one of them mentioned pin holes.

It is possible that my particular vision problems bury all the PW problems reported here. In that case I am interpreting from my own perception and others interpret it from their perceptions.

[dordale]

Just got my KPW2! When I checked the tracking this morning, it said it was "out for delivery" so I've been anxiously awaiting its arrival.

Only had time for a quick look at it on my lunch hour. So far, I'm very pleased--screen coloring looked very even--will be spending some time setting it up this evening and transferring my books to it. I'll report back here later

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

I read and drive without any glasses, have a large cataract in my right eye and see perfectly through it. I also have some Macular Degeneration which is stable at the moment. My vision tests on both eyes are still 20/20. Even if I saw a dead pixel on a monitor or TV, I'd never even bother with it. They are NOT relevant to the use of those devices.

However, we all have different tolerance zones for problems. Mine are very forgiving.

Some folks run to the doctor for a single pain. I've had serious pains in my long life and never treated any of them. Somehow, all my friends, who did treat them, are all DEAD.

The proper forum for reporting problems with the PW 2013 is the page for it on Amazon. I have read all the one star reviews and not one of them mentioned pin holes.

Then your pain isn't serious because if it was you would have treated it. Serious pain and you would not be able to move or think you are dying. When you have serious pain you have to take something for it or you are debilitated. You can't think, You can't move and sure can't type on anything. I may be only 35 but I do know what serious pain is. I do take medicine to be able to live my life. I don't want to wind up like my mother who is in wheelchair due to R.A.

But getting back on topic. Seeing you admitted that we all have different tolerance levels how about cutting others some slack on their Kindles instead of countering every negative post? What may not bother you may drive others crazy.

Amazon should deliver a perfect product if it's new. It's that simple. It shouldn't have flaws and we shouldn't be beta testers. When I buy something new I expect it to be just that new without blemish. If not I will exchange it or return it and try something else.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by Chi Cygni

Thank you, I think I indeed made right decision. Although the geek in me was a bit perplexed at not waiting for the latest model, anyway I decided to stick to what's good and tested rather than start circus with unknown end result. I bored everyone within the hearing range about what I should do, return or not, considering for a month, no wonder some people don't want to go for coffee with me at work these days

I am really sorry you didn't find a good PW2 in the end but I can imagine, even the thought of a pinhole makes my skin crawl.

I tried to take lots of pictures of my PW1 with different cameras but I cannot achieve what I see in reality been sweating for 2 hours now over photos and it just won't work, it adds blue tint which is not there. Sniff.

After using my PW1 for so long now, I have actually grown quite used to it so it wasn't too hard for me to return the PW2's. There were also some other things that bothered me about the PW2 as well. I was noticing a strange refresh issue, one my PW1 doesn't have. I'm not sure if it was just my PW2, but someone else on here did also report refresh issues too.

I know what you mean about taking pictures, it's really tough to capture it as you see it. Plus there's always that risk that someone may point out something you don't see. I'm afraid to post PW pics now for that very reason. I'll be in line to check out the PW3 next year, but until then I'm happy I have my PW1. I do really love having a lighted reader, it's just sooo much nicer.

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by Blossom

Amazon should deliver a perfect product if it's new. It's that simple. It shouldn't have flaws and we shouldn't be beta testers. When I buy something new I expect it to be just that new without blemish. If not I will exchange it or return it and try something else.

[Blossom]

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

After using my PW1 for so long now, I have actually grown quite used to it so it wasn't too hard for me to return the PW2's. There were also some other things that bothered me about the PW2 as well. I was noticing a strange refresh issue, one my PW1 doesn't have. I'm not sure if it was just my PW2, but someone else on here did also report refresh issues too.

I know what you mean about taking pictures, it's really tough to capture it as you see it. Plus there's always that risk that someone may point out something you don't see. I'm afraid to post PW pics now for that very reason. I'll be in line to check out the PW3 next year, but until then I'm happy I have my PW1. I do really love having a lighted reader, it's just sooo much nicer.

I also read that PW2 doesn't have the multiple dictionaries options like the PW1. How could they forget to give it a feature that they just gave the PW1?

[sparklemotion]

Originally Posted by Blossom

I also read that PW2 doesn't have the multiple dictionary options like the PW1. How could they forget to give it a feature that they just gave the PW1?

I know! I agree. I was also not happy I couldn't change my fonts either.