azw hyphenation question ( how to spot it)

cybmole · 02-26-2015, 01:04 PM

background.
I started reading a direct from amazon book on Kindle fire
a £ zero purchase - The tube Riders vol 1
and I am seeing hyphenation at some line ends. I thought Amazon reader apps did not / could not do that, so I have the book open in calibre AZW editor now to see if I can understand how this is being done...

( at first I thought it was being caused by a recent a Kindle firmware upgrade, but when I checked several other direct-from-amazon books, it only happens in this one single book )

so, having gotten in into calibre & opened it up i see:
1, that the text is one big 1.6Mb html file - that should not be a cause
2. that every para had an inline style. see below.
[ Now as I don't usually edit azw I don't know if this is normal or abnormal - I usually edit only in epub so I am used to seeing a separate stylesheet.]
here's what I see in every p tag:

...

for TOC entries, there are hard coded anchors within that one big file, like this
<a name="c24newborn"></a><a href="part0000.html#toc">Chapter Twenty-Four</a>

it is not obvious to me how the above code would "turn on" hyphenation in the kindle reader.

If I calibre-convert the book epub and view that, it looks like any other book, and if I read the original in Kindle for PC it looks normal there also.

I am pretty sure that it's not hidden soft hyphens, unless every multi-syllable word has them, as I can rotate the tablet to landscape view and see different line-end hyphens.

I pasted a chunk of code into notepad++ but no special character soft hyphens showed up there, though I did not try all encoding options,
I don't think calibre editor has a "show soft hyphens" option ?

any ideas anyone - I am stumped ?

as it is a free book, maybe someone else could "buy" it and take a look
The Tube riders , Chris Ward, kindle edition

dragonkore · 03-19-2015, 01:08 PM

To test soft hyphens I open the book in the viewer and then scale the window left and right. As you make it smaller you should see some words become hyphenated, and then as you scale bigger again, they lose their hyphens.

DiapDealer · 03-19-2015, 01:31 PM

There's been some other discussions about seemingly random hyphenation showing up in SOME kindlebooks on SOME devices. Not sure if anything definitive was ever determined, but I know it wasn't the result of peppering the work with soft hyphens.

There's some talk about it (and other things) in this thread.

cybmole · 03-20-2015, 02:43 AM

thanks guys - this has moved on since I began the thread, there's now a big thread elsewhere started by a kindle book author. it's NOT a soft hyphen issue, is is something in the KDP pipeline that is turning on hyphenation but only in some books & only on some devices. greater minds than mine are on the case now...
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=256131

02-26-2015, 01:04 PM	#1
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	azw hyphenation question ( how to spot it) background. I started reading a direct from amazon book on Kindle fire a £ zero purchase - The tube Riders vol 1 and I am seeing hyphenation at some line ends. I thought Amazon reader apps did not / could not do that, so I have the book open in calibre AZW editor now to see if I can understand how this is being done... ( at first I thought it was being caused by a recent a Kindle firmware upgrade, but when I checked several other direct-from-amazon books, it only happens in this one single book ) so, having gotten in into calibre & opened it up i see: 1, that the text is one big 1.6Mb html file - that should not be a cause 2. that every para had an inline style. see below. [ Now as I don't usually edit azw I don't know if this is normal or abnormal - I usually edit only in epub so I am used to seeing a separate stylesheet.] here's what I see in every p tag: <p style="margin:0.00% 0.00%; text-indent:1.5em; text-align:justify; widows:0; orphans:0"><span style=" font-size:1.0rem">... for TOC entries, there are hard coded anchors within that one big file, like this <p style="margin:0.00% 0.00%; text-align:center; widows:0; orphans:0"><a name="c24newborn"></a><a href="part0000.html#toc"><span style=" font-size:1.0rem; text-decoration:underline; color:#0000ff">Chapter Twenty-Four</span></a></p> it is not obvious to me how the above code would "turn on" hyphenation in the kindle reader. If I calibre-convert the book epub and view that, it looks like any other book, and if I read the original in Kindle for PC it looks normal there also. I am pretty sure that it's not hidden soft hyphens, unless every multi-syllable word has them, as I can rotate the tablet to landscape view and see different line-end hyphens. I pasted a chunk of code into notepad++ but no special character soft hyphens showed up there, though I did not try all encoding options, I don't think calibre editor has a "show soft hyphens" option ? any ideas anyone - I am stumped ? as it is a free book, maybe someone else could "buy" it and take a look The Tube riders , Chris Ward, kindle edition Last edited by cybmole; 02-26-2015 at 01:07 PM.

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03-19-2015, 01:08 PM	#2
dragonkore Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2015 Device: Kindle Voyage	To test soft hyphens I open the book in the viewer and then scale the window left and right. As you make it smaller you should see some words become hyphenated, and then as you scale bigger again, they lose their hyphens.

03-19-2015, 01:31 PM	#3
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,542 Karma: 204127028 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	There's been some other discussions about seemingly random hyphenation showing up in SOME kindlebooks on SOME devices. Not sure if anything definitive was ever determined, but I know it wasn't the result of peppering the work with soft hyphens. There's some talk about it (and other things) in this thread.

03-20-2015, 02:43 AM	#4
cybmole Wizard Posts: 3,720 Karma: 1759970 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: none	thanks guys - this has moved on since I began the thread, there's now a big thread elsewhere started by a kindle book author. it's NOT a soft hyphen issue, is is something in the KDP pipeline that is turning on hyphenation but only in some books & only on some devices. greater minds than mine are on the case now... https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=256131

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