I hate page numbers ARGH!

Tazina · 07-30-2010, 09:19 PM

Hi. The problem I'm having is in the Sony PRS-300. I don't know if it's the reader or Calibre's converting but the page numbers only show up every 3rd or 4th page turn, depending on the size of the font I use.

I had one document, I don't remember where I got it or which one it is now but it didn't have page numbers and everytime I changed font sizes the Sony would re-correct all the page numbers. In small it was 480 pages, in medium it was 923, and large would be 1463. (I made up the numbers, I don't remember exactly what they were but you get the point.)

I've tried saving the books in .txt in .rtf, in almost all the formats and I make sure I've reflowed the document and it's considered one page but the page numbers show up in the smallest possible readable font everytime and Sony uses that to count the pages.

Any help please? I'm drawing a blank on what to do or try next.

Doran

pholy · 07-30-2010, 11:58 PM

The page numbers are a 'feature' of the ADE epub reader supplied by Adobe. I think a search of the site for 'page numbers' would show that nobody likes them - except for somebody in charge at Adobe. Almost all the readers that support Adobe DRM have these numbers - I think I heard that the Sony 900 doesn't have page numbers, but I've never seen one to check.

Sweetpea · 07-31-2010, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pholy

The page numbers are a 'feature' of the ADE epub reader supplied by Adobe. I think a search of the site for 'page numbers' would show that nobody likes them - except for somebody in charge at Adobe. Almost all the readers that support Adobe DRM have these numbers - I think I heard that the Sony 900 doesn't have page numbers, but I've never seen one to check.

It was a pleasant surprise when I found out my newest reader, which also has Adobe DRM, doesn't show those silly page numbers. So, it is possible to have Adobe DRM without them!

Actually, those page numbers are why I started creating my own PDF's, using LaTeX....

pholy · 07-31-2010, 06:58 PM

Sweetpea - Which of your many readers is your newest? Thousands of disgruntled ADE victims are dying to know!

HarryT · 08-01-2010, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pholy

The page numbers are a 'feature' of the ADE epub reader supplied by Adobe. I think a search of the site for 'page numbers' would show that nobody likes them

I'm afraid that's not true - I like them. They provide a device- and font-independent way of referring to a position in a book, and that's extremely useful.

pholy · 08-01-2010, 10:20 AM

OK, a programmer is allowed to be 'off by one'...

You are the first person I have heard to speak up for those things, really!

HarryT · 08-01-2010, 10:37 AM

Their real use comes when you're reading the same book on different devices. The fact that "page x" refers to the same point in the book on any ADE device is extremely useful, especially when using devices with different screen sizes.

Graham · 08-01-2010, 11:15 AM

I also like the ADE page numbers; they give me a consistent understanding of how much more there is to read, unlike a progress bar or page numbers that relate to screenfuls of the current font size.

I think the annoyance comes mainly from having them appear inline with the text.

Graham

Jellby · 08-02-2010, 05:01 AM

It can be useful to have something that serves as absolute reference (independent of font, margin, screen size, etc.), that's what HarryT and many others like. It's (in my opinion) stupid to have some small "page numbers" shown on the margins, sometimes overlapping the text, and with no possibility of disabling them; I don't think there's many people who like this.

As for ADE page numbers being really absolute and device-independent, that's only true as long as you use an Adobe-based reader, if you use a different software, the page numbers (if any) will likely be different. But don't forget that paper books also come in different editions, with different number of pages, so the potential problem with referencing is not new. The good thing with electronic texts is that it's fairly easy to search for a specific text or sentence.

Sweetpea · 08-02-2010, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pholy

Sweetpea - Which of your many readers is your newest? Thousands of disgruntled ADE victims are dying to know!

The ProMedia one. Which is the same as this one: EGriver Touch (I presume the Firmware is the same as well...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

It can be useful to have something that serves as absolute reference (independent of font, margin, screen size, etc.), that's what HarryT and many others like. It's (in my opinion) stupid to have some small "page numbers" shown on the margins, sometimes overlapping the text, and with no possibility of disabling them; I don't think there's many people who like this.

Yes, the ability to turn it on/off would be very nice! I might start reading epub...

Tazina · 08-02-2010, 09:05 PM

Ok, I'm confused (timpany, please-heh.) Is there something I can do to change the Adobe reader in my Sony? As for formatting I've simply gone back to saving in plain text.

I do own Adobe Acrobat 9. I don't like book covers on the prs-300 so I'll open the .PDF file I want to use, in it, then export it usually as a .DOC if I have a lot of editing to do, or just a .TXT file for quick edits in MS Word:Mac 2008. Then I'll save it as a .TXT file and use Calibre to make it into an EPUB with an extended .CSS for font options.

So are you saying that somewhere in that series I can make sure no page numbers are created?

If there are directions could you please give me the URL and I promise to be quiet and sit in the corner like a good little boy? hehe

Thanks,
Doran

Jellby · 08-03-2010, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazina

So are you saying that somewhere in that series I can make sure no page numbers are created?

No. Page numbers are not in the file, they are "calculated" by the reader. All you can do is ignore the page numbers or get another reader.

frabjous · 08-03-2010, 10:47 AM

Actually, the page numbers are only created by the reader if the file doesn’t already have a premade page-map. There were some experiments a year or so ago about creating a dummy page map that was basically empty, but it seemed that the general consensus was that it wasn't a great idea to try this. You can find the thread on the topic here.

astra · 08-06-2010, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazina

Hi. The problem I'm having is in the Sony PRS-300. I don't know if it's the reader or Calibre's converting but the page numbers only show up every 3rd or 4th page turn, depending on the size of the font I use.

I had one document, I don't remember where I got it or which one it is now but it didn't have page numbers and everytime I changed font sizes the Sony would re-correct all the page numbers. In small it was 480 pages, in medium it was 923, and large would be 1463. (I made up the numbers, I don't remember exactly what they were but you get the point.)

I've tried saving the books in .txt in .rtf, in almost all the formats and I make sure I've reflowed the document and it's considered one page but the page numbers show up in the smallest possible readable font everytime and Sony uses that to count the pages.

Any help please? I'm drawing a blank on what to do or try next.

Doran

I use LRF. It has the best page numbering feature.
Just like a pbook.

mish · 09-03-2010, 12:44 PM

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I'm afraid that's not true - I like them. They provide a device- and font-independent way of referring to a position in a book, and that's extremely useful.

Exactly, I much prefer page numbers vs. percentages and locations (what the heck is that anyway?) like the kindle uses.

07-30-2010, 09:19 PM	#1
Tazina Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Sony PRS-300	I hate page numbers ARGH! Hi. The problem I'm having is in the Sony PRS-300. I don't know if it's the reader or Calibre's converting but the page numbers only show up every 3rd or 4th page turn, depending on the size of the font I use. I had one document, I don't remember where I got it or which one it is now but it didn't have page numbers and everytime I changed font sizes the Sony would re-correct all the page numbers. In small it was 480 pages, in medium it was 923, and large would be 1463. (I made up the numbers, I don't remember exactly what they were but you get the point.) I've tried saving the books in .txt in .rtf, in almost all the formats and I make sure I've reflowed the document and it's considered one page but the page numbers show up in the smallest possible readable font everytime and Sony uses that to count the pages. Any help please? I'm drawing a blank on what to do or try next. Doran

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07-30-2010, 11:58 PM	#2
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	The page numbers are a 'feature' of the ADE epub reader supplied by Adobe. I think a search of the site for 'page numbers' would show that nobody likes them - except for somebody in charge at Adobe. Almost all the readers that support Adobe DRM have these numbers - I think I heard that the Sony 900 doesn't have page numbers, but I've never seen one to check.

07-31-2010, 06:58 PM	#4
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	Sweetpea - Which of your many readers is your newest? Thousands of disgruntled ADE victims are dying to know!

08-01-2010, 10:20 AM	#6
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	OK, a programmer is allowed to be 'off by one'... You are the first person I have heard to speak up for those things, really!

08-01-2010, 10:37 AM	#7
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Their real use comes when you're reading the same book on different devices. The fact that "page x" refers to the same point in the book on any ADE device is extremely useful, especially when using devices with different screen sizes.

08-01-2010, 11:15 AM	#8
Graham Wizard Posts: 2,742 Karma: 32912427 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North Yorkshire, UK Device: Kobo H20, Pixel 2, Samsung Chromebook Plus	I also like the ADE page numbers; they give me a consistent understanding of how much more there is to read, unlike a progress bar or page numbers that relate to screenfuls of the current font size. I think the annoyance comes mainly from having them appear inline with the text. Graham

08-02-2010, 05:01 AM	#9
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,546 Karma: 19001583 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	It can be useful to have something that serves as absolute reference (independent of font, margin, screen size, etc.), that's what HarryT and many others like. It's (in my opinion) stupid to have some small "page numbers" shown on the margins, sometimes overlapping the text, and with no possibility of disabling them; I don't think there's many people who like this. As for ADE page numbers being really absolute and device-independent, that's only true as long as you use an Adobe-based reader, if you use a different software, the page numbers (if any) will likely be different. But don't forget that paper books also come in different editions, with different number of pages, so the potential problem with referencing is not new. The good thing with electronic texts is that it's fairly easy to search for a specific text or sentence.

08-02-2010, 09:05 PM	#11
Tazina Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Sony PRS-300	Ok, I'm confused (timpany, please-heh.) Is there something I can do to change the Adobe reader in my Sony? As for formatting I've simply gone back to saving in plain text. I do own Adobe Acrobat 9. I don't like book covers on the prs-300 so I'll open the .PDF file I want to use, in it, then export it usually as a .DOC if I have a lot of editing to do, or just a .TXT file for quick edits in MS Word:Mac 2008. Then I'll save it as a .TXT file and use Calibre to make it into an EPUB with an extended .CSS for font options. So are you saying that somewhere in that series I can make sure no page numbers are created? If there are directions could you please give me the URL and I promise to be quiet and sit in the corner like a good little boy? hehe Thanks, Doran

08-03-2010, 10:47 AM	#13
frabjous Wizard Posts: 1,213 Karma: 12890 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA Device: Sony PRS-505	Actually, the page numbers are only created by the reader if the file doesn’t already have a premade page-map. There were some experiments a year or so ago about creating a dummy page map that was basically empty, but it seemed that the general consensus was that it wasn't a great idea to try this. You can find the thread on the topic here.

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