boox max 2 antialiasing?

whopper · 08-19-2018, 04:27 PM

Hello

after some weeks using the max 2 and reading for some hours today, I was thinking I was going crazy because since I have the device, a lot of times though my vision was strange, as if I couldn't focus correctly on the text, and the letters looked washed out or not sharp enough. That never happened to me with other readers, so I opened the same book on the DR1000S from 10 years ago with 160dpi against the 207 of the max 2, and well.

Even with a better screen and technology, the max 2 it isn't as comfortably as the dr1000s to read. Yes, if you look closely at few cm to both of them you can see some difference on the pixels, but when you are actively trying to read, the max 2 looks blurry against the dr1000s when it should be the opposite.

Is there any way to change the antialiasing or whatever the max is doing to the fonts? Disabling it on android or something like that? It could look awesome without it, but it does not. It isn't as sharp as it should be and it is doing a worse job than a device 10 years older with less resolution.

And I am talking about all the system, onyx neoreader, librera or whatever, everyone have the same problem, it is a system problem.

And it is even worse if you try to use serif fonts when it should be the opposite, as with more resolution serif fonts should be more readable, but I am being forced to use lato or super big serif fonts (like 20 or more) just because the poor rendering job the max 2 is doing destroying the tiny details.

Randy11 · 08-24-2018, 03:19 AM

Hello Whopper,

I can compare the M92 with the Max2, and like you I remove my glasses to read the text at few centimeters of my eyes. For me the Max2 is nearly perfect, but I don't use the default font. I use the Caudex font or some specific Linux font like Libertine for printed document for EPUB. I don't change the font for PDF document. The test is done with NeoReader 2. Some applications like Librera use a quality factor which change the perception of the font, for the PDF with Librera I set a 150 % factor.

Maybe, you could post a text to test and give the context : firmware's version, application used, font, font's size.

plusz · 08-30-2018, 03:32 PM

Max2 has a glossy touch foil on top of the e-ink. I am not satisfied with reading experience outdoors when the light comes all around and makes the screen look washed out.

Eventually I decided to try the matte screen protector from ereader.store, it's on the way. I'll let you know if it is really matte and wether it improves the reading comfort.

whopper · 08-30-2018, 09:43 PM

Trying other fonts as randy suggested solved most of my problem, bookerly works fine.

the text is still less "sharp" but now it doesn't bug me.

rafail · 09-07-2018, 01:34 PM

Hi Whooper! You wrote to me a few weeks ago that NeoReader could also work with another dictionary application (eg with GoldenDict or Color Dict) and that this is specified in the Onyx Notes User Manual. I did not find anything neither in the manual, nor in NeoReader settings, or in the system settings (updated to 1.9.1). Can you give me some clue?
Thank you very much!

whopper · 09-07-2018, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafail

Hi Whooper! You wrote to me a few weeks ago that NeoReader could also work with another dictionary application (eg with GoldenDict or Color Dict) and that this is specified in the Onyx Notes User Manual. I did not find anything neither in the manual, nor in NeoReader settings, or in the system settings (updated to 1.9.1). Can you give me some clue?
Thank you very much!

rafail · 09-07-2018, 04:30 PM

I've seen this paragraph but it's about dictionary-files not dictionary-application. For example, when I use the Librera application and I want to translate a word, it ask me wich dictionary-application I want to use for translation GoldenDict or ColorDict (these I have installed in my Onyx Note device)
But it seems that NeoReader works only with the built-in application (called Dict), which is not so well-tuned. There are, for example, stardict dictionary-files in which the GoldenDict application finds flexionary words and Dict (built-in Note appl) finds nothing ... I insist on this because I have not yet found a good stardict-file dictionary for Romanian. Thanks anyway.
Another question: The NeoReader (built-in) application does not appear on my screen among the other apps, and the note app is called yet Note, not Knote, and after updating 1.9.1. Is that right?

whopper · 09-07-2018, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafail

Another question: The NeoReader (built-in) application does not appear on my screen among the other apps, and the note app is called yet Note, not Knote, and after updating 1.9.1. Is that right?

yes, it doesn't appear as an app on the multitasking tab after you have switched to other.

rafail · 09-07-2018, 10:57 PM

It doesn't appear even in the main window with the icons of all the application...

whopper · 09-07-2018, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafail

It doesn't appear even in the main window with the icons of all the application...

yep, neoreader doesn't even have an icon, it opens only when you click on a file with an extension that is associated with it. And the worse thing is that if you don't close the app with the icon X and just come back to home, move to another and later you maybe want to close the app because every single book opened in neoreader uses 100mb of ram that you want for other app, they force you to open the last book readed, then close all the tabs of the books opened from inside the app just to free the memory as you can't do it from the app manager.

I don't like it either, but is how it works.

anyway, unless you need to take notes, librera eats neoreader for breakfast.

rafail · 09-09-2018, 12:16 PM

In spite of these problems, I like Neoreader for many reasons, including the ease in working with multiple documents (it allows me to open the same document several times to not browse for the notes from the end of the chapter), the options for 'navigation' (I have a big collection of books that are just two-page photos and the 'article mode' option is very useful to me) and it seems to work faster than tird party apps ...

08-19-2018, 04:27 PM	#1
whopper Addict Posts: 350 Karma: 22726 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Europe Device: Boox max 2	about boox max 2 antialiasing, font smoothing or whatever it is Hello after some weeks using the max 2 and reading for some hours today, I was thinking I was going crazy because since I have the device, a lot of times though my vision was strange, as if I couldn't focus correctly on the text, and the letters looked washed out or not sharp enough. That never happened to me with other readers, so I opened the same book on the DR1000S from 10 years ago with 160dpi against the 207 of the max 2, and well. Even with a better screen and technology, the max 2 it isn't as comfortably as the dr1000s to read. Yes, if you look closely at few cm to both of them you can see some difference on the pixels, but when you are actively trying to read, the max 2 looks blurry against the dr1000s when it should be the opposite. Is there any way to change the antialiasing or whatever the max is doing to the fonts? Disabling it on android or something like that? It could look awesome without it, but it does not. It isn't as sharp as it should be and it is doing a worse job than a device 10 years older with less resolution. And I am talking about all the system, onyx neoreader, librera or whatever, everyone have the same problem, it is a system problem. And it is even worse if you try to use serif fonts when it should be the opposite, as with more resolution serif fonts should be more readable, but I am being forced to use lato or super big serif fonts (like 20 or more) just because the poor rendering job the max 2 is doing destroying the tiny details. Last edited by whopper; 08-20-2018 at 03:02 AM.

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08-24-2018, 03:19 AM	#2
Randy11 Wizard Posts: 1,138 Karma: 1577094 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Samsung EB60, Onyx M92, Onyx Max2	Hello Whopper, I can compare the M92 with the Max2, and like you I remove my glasses to read the text at few centimeters of my eyes. For me the Max2 is nearly perfect, but I don't use the default font. I use the Caudex font or some specific Linux font like Libertine for printed document for EPUB. I don't change the font for PDF document. The test is done with NeoReader 2. Some applications like Librera use a quality factor which change the perception of the font, for the PDF with Librera I set a 150 % factor. Maybe, you could post a text to test and give the context : firmware's version, application used, font, font's size.

08-30-2018, 03:32 PM	#3
plusz Addict Posts: 384 Karma: 50008 Join Date: Feb 2017 Device: 13.3" Boox Max2, 7" Kobo H2O	Max2 has a glossy touch foil on top of the e-ink. I am not satisfied with reading experience outdoors when the light comes all around and makes the screen look washed out. Eventually I decided to try the matte screen protector from ereader.store, it's on the way. I'll let you know if it is really matte and wether it improves the reading comfort.

08-30-2018, 09:43 PM	#4
whopper Addict Posts: 350 Karma: 22726 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Europe Device: Boox max 2	Trying other fonts as randy suggested solved most of my problem, bookerly works fine. the text is still less "sharp" but now it doesn't bug me.

09-07-2018, 01:34 PM	#5
rafail Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 33648 Join Date: Aug 2018 Device: Onyx Note	Hi Whooper! You wrote to me a few weeks ago that NeoReader could also work with another dictionary application (eg with GoldenDict or Color Dict) and that this is specified in the Onyx Notes User Manual. I did not find anything neither in the manual, nor in NeoReader settings, or in the system settings (updated to 1.9.1). Can you give me some clue? Thank you very much!

09-07-2018, 04:30 PM	#7
rafail Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 33648 Join Date: Aug 2018 Device: Onyx Note	I've seen this paragraph but it's about dictionary-files not dictionary-application. For example, when I use the Librera application and I want to translate a word, it ask me wich dictionary-application I want to use for translation GoldenDict or ColorDict (these I have installed in my Onyx Note device) But it seems that NeoReader works only with the built-in application (called Dict), which is not so well-tuned. There are, for example, stardict dictionary-files in which the GoldenDict application finds flexionary words and Dict (built-in Note appl) finds nothing ... I insist on this because I have not yet found a good stardict-file dictionary for Romanian. Thanks anyway. Another question: The NeoReader (built-in) application does not appear on my screen among the other apps, and the note app is called yet Note, not Knote, and after updating 1.9.1. Is that right?

09-07-2018, 10:57 PM	#9
rafail Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 33648 Join Date: Aug 2018 Device: Onyx Note	It doesn't appear even in the main window with the icons of all the application...

09-09-2018, 12:16 PM	#11
rafail Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 33648 Join Date: Aug 2018 Device: Onyx Note	In spite of these problems, I like Neoreader for many reasons, including the ease in working with multiple documents (it allows me to open the same document several times to not browse for the notes from the end of the chapter), the options for 'navigation' (I have a big collection of books that are just two-page photos and the 'article mode' option is very useful to me) and it seems to work faster than tird party apps ...

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