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Old 11-19-2009, 10:03 AM   #251
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No. The costs are out of control BECAUSE of Corporations and Private business that have been allowed to do whatever they want. Just like the Credit Card companies they have all written their own rules and coerced congress into passing them. It's out of control and so is big government, we've got to start somewhere and health care is as good a place as anywhere -- except maybe the credit card companies.
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Stop generalizing. Government is too big, many things need to change, it must be done correctly. Government is ALREADY in charge of everything anyway. The point is to begin changing it -- decisions must be made as far as how to do it. The Public health care OPTION DOES NOT PUT GOVERNMENT IN CHARGE OF HEALTH CARE any more than it already is, but it does provide a better means to control the out of control costs that have destroyed the system.

Now I'm not going to post wrt this any more. I've said what I think. You guy carry on.
I'm going to go check Sarah in her running outfit.
The idea of the original system of government that was established by the founding fathers, where there were strong state governments and an overseeing federal government that kept the states together (providing services like the military, etc.) was to keep from having a huge and cumbersome bureaucracy that no longer focused on the people. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. The politicians and special interests have stomped all over the Constitution. Our Federal government has gotten too big. The Republicans were supposed to downsize, they didn't. The Democrats are all for bigger government. Neither party has the people's best interests at heart. It's all about power.

Giving our government control over my health care scares the heck out of me because I see how many problems they have in the areas in which they already have control. One of the concerns I have when comparing our health system (which is a mess and does need overhauling) to other countries is the size of the USA compared to places like the UK. England is basically the size of Minnesota. I would think handling healthcare in a country that size would be much easier. Maybe healthcare should be handled at the state level so that the bureaucracy isn't so large.

As far as Sarah Palin is concerned: I don't understand all the bashing. Calling her uneducated is unfair and malicious. She has a college degree, in Journalism. Does that make all journalists unintelligent? She speaks with an Alaskan accent. I speak with a Chicagoan accent (I tend to use "~in'" instead of "~ing"). Which of us is unintelligent because of the way we speak? If the criticism was focused on her record as a government official, I would listen. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Criticising her because her interview with Katie Couric went badly is too easy. The media has gotten too lazy. I think an awful lot of the criticism is because she is a woman in power. The same thing happened, although to a lesser degree, to Hillary Clinton.

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Don't misunderstand - I never believed that DGM intended to be insulting. I just took the assumption of gender as an insult.
You shouldn't have. As a teacher who teaches Language Arts and Writing, I tell my students that they should use He when referring to unknown gender of when not being gender specific. That is traditionally how it has been done.


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And that is the "proper" view EA. Unfortunately in the U.S.A. the people seem to have forgotten that government exists only at the behest of the people and should be subservient to that ideal. They've also seemed to have forgotten that they must participate in the process. In the mean time government has become the driver of the poor huddled unaware masses who simply follow the lead of politicians who are directed mostly by corporations lobbying and political action committees and the media and advertising that is directed by those same corporations. I'm coming to believe that the legalization of the corporation as an "individual" entity is the worst thing that ever happened in the U.S. Legal system

It truly is a bad situation despite the good that exists in the country and services provided by the government. As with most things it is good and bad at the same time.
People haven't forgotten. Our politicians have forgotten.
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