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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
Yes, they are. Hint: Try getting a banned console, making a save game, and copying it to another console. See if it loads. People have actually traced changes being made to the console's NAND memory when a ban occurs, so you're 100% wrong on that I'm afraid - there are several changes related to that and the keyvault which change the way key signing and several other features of the 360 work.
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As I've stated previously, personal experience from 3 of my friends shows there may be more to this story than those who have been banned are claiming. All 3 friends have been banned and their Xbox's work normally in all other respects.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
pkffw - Yes, you do. The right is established by Microsoft's advertising. Lumping them together in UK advertising was...unsmart.
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I don't know the exact advertising campaign MS use in the UK but here in Australia they advertise that you have the
option of using Xbox live, not the
right. Further, in that advertising it is made clear that there is a fee involved along with other "terms and conditions".
Never in Australia have MS advertised that by buying an Xbox you have the inalienable right to access the Xbox live service.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
Anyway, the current evidence is if you've changed hard disk to ones with certain service numbers (legally), tried to load certain kinds of corrupted save game (ongoing investigations into that, but the problem was the *games* in question corrupting saves) while connected or even simply have one complete hardware run? Oops, you're banned.
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I've still not seen any citing for this claimed evidence. My personal experience seems to discredit the claims being made.
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Originally Posted by DawnFalcon
That's what people are defending. Also, it utterly f**k over future revenue streams...I don't get why people don't understand /that/.
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I understand it perfectly. I also understand that it is MS's right to f**k over their future revenue stream if they so choose. Just as it is the right of the Xbox owner to mod their Xbox if they so choose. Both choices have consequences that each must accept if they choose to exercise said rights.
Cheers,
PKFFW