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Originally Posted by griffonwing

Actually, let me restate again, but this change the inflection.

ANIMALS
Yes, some/many/most of the huge meat farms don't give a toss about the care of the animal in question. After all, they will soon be out of their misery, and in my casserole dish, so really, what should it matter? I'm sure this is the point of view of most people in the trade, from chicken farms, to turkey farms, to cattle farms. They raise animals solely to use for food.

I never said it was how I thought, but how those in the trade might think.

I never meant to imply that was how you felt. I was simply responding to your comment.

Originally Posted by griffonwing

Just as there are organically 'pure', pesticide-free veggie gardens, so are there smaller, even substantial-sized, organic free-range chicken farms that do not mistreat their stock. But the doesn't mean that the other, darker side of both veggies and meat don't exist.

Nobody is denying they exist. They will continue to do so until enough people stand up and demand change.

Originally Posted by griffonwing

I won't even get into the argument you ended with, about how we 'just happened' to get to the top of the food chain. That, to me, is not even worth pursuing.

Why?

I completely agree - we are all free to make our own decisions, and I certainly do not condemn you for yours. I thought we were just having a spirited debate.

Originally Posted by griffonwing

PS, the battle of wits comment. You took that entirely out of context as well. I wasn't expecting an argument or tirade from anyone. It was merely a little quip meant to draw out a chuckle and to kind of nudge people against throwing a fit.

I nudged back. Apparently my joke wasn't as obvious as I thought!

Originally Posted by krisk

you are clueless about dairy farms and dairy cows. as was the person clueless about shearing (sheep are NOT killed by shearing!)

this thread has become a litany of unfacts being strewn about at will.

Please explain.

Originally Posted by krisk

I wasn't name calling. y'all know whan I am. I grew up on and around farms and ranches. and yes I deplore the big industrial spreads, the small places are very neat, clean and healthy. that doesn't get around the FACT that a stressed cow will not milk. milk cows are treated extremely well even by the jerks.

Did you grow up on all of the farms and ranches? Have you been to every one and can verify that they treat their animals humanely? If so, then I take it back. However, I am certain there are people out there that do whatever they can to make the almighty dollar. And that includes everything I mentioned above. I also forgot to mention the fact that once the milk production has declined, which it does, even with the most powerful hormones, the cows are artificially inseminated so they can lactate all over again. That is, the cows that aren't slaughtered to make room for the new young cows who can produce more milk.