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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967
Well, there's really not that many variations on the omnipotent, enigmatic deity myth, so I guess all these fairy stories tend to gravitate towards similar basic stories.
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Or perhaps they are all hearing the same basic truth from "the ether" ... err, from God ... who eventually played out the story he had been telling them about?
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Originally Posted by sweevo
Leviticus 20:23
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them.
Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 11:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Proverbs 6:16, 19
These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Hosea 9:15
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings.
Malachi 1:3
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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In all of these, God hates the sin. The person gets the hate because he won't let go of the sin. Granted, Esau's sin of giving up his birthright sounds like a generosity to me instead of a sin -- but perhaps there was "attitude" involved, which wasn't written down.
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Originally Posted by captcrouton
I don't have the need to prove the existence of God scientifically. I believe in love, and you can't prove it scientifically. .....
I think that scientific method is a very narrow window to see the world. .....
Somewhere I grew out of my need to prove God to people who don't really want to believe in Him anyway. .....
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything in this forum.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
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Ok, I did. I scanned them -- and I come from a Mathematics (and Physics) background, so I am familiar with logic. But I'm with CaptCrouton in not needing to prove God to myself.
Basically -- any God who is small enough to wrap my mind around .... to fit inside my brain ... for me to completely understand .... is too small to be God. He would be a made up construct, if He weren't bigger than I could understand.
That's why I liked the second half of the old book "Flatland". It shows how hard it is for a 1-D world to grasp a 2-D world, and the proposed 2-D world to understand our existing 3-D world. Any God that fits inside my own world, couldn't possibly have created it.
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Originally Posted by ardeegee
And then maybe you might be willing to take a look at this book by Dan Barker, or at least download the sample chapters here to one of your several reading devices. |
Since there are some chapters available online, I will certainly look at them. Thanks for the pointer!
An Amazon commenter to this book points to Peter Kreeft's "Handbook of Christian Apologetics". So I paid actual money for the Pocket version in Kindle form, to read about the arguments on the opposite side too. You might be interested in reading it!