Digital newspaper for the iRex iLiad demoed at IfraExpo

Alexander Turcic · 10-10-2006, 10:13 AM

The IfraExpo 2006 has thrown open its doors in Amsterdam yesterday, and two Dutch dudes are showing off how beautiful the iRex iLiad would be if we were able to download digital newspaper content via WiFi onto it. The software used is apparently made by a company called SoliDAM. A quick glance at their site reveals that they are specialized in extracting PDF content ("Elara Callisto") and converting it to structured XML or bitmap formats for re-use in a content management system (such as iDS).

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay, but now would be a good time for iRex to start offering newspaper content. How many people agree with me?

pitcher23 · 10-10-2006, 12:18 PM

I agree with you.

One of the reason I am for Mobipocket support is that my local paper has a website that I can convert using the previous version of Mobi creater. The current only does RSS which I find inferior that creating my own news sites.

Even if Irex distributed newspaper content without Mobi, provided they had a lot to choose from, I would subscribe immediately

watcha · 10-10-2006, 01:32 PM

My final choice of reader to buy will depend on a) content available in the UK; b) ease of use.

First I want to read books (Sony ahead here, but sadly not in the UK) and then hopefully news and features (I'd pay for my reads).

I guess my third wish is the ability to be able to complete (or try!) the paper's Sudoku puzzle, or even crossword!

ath · 10-10-2006, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay, but now would be a good time for iRex to start offering newspaper content. How many people agree with me?

No, I don't think so. I may misunderstand, though.

iRex say themselves that they provide solutions for reading digital contents, and add that they have a B2B focus: they support organization in bringing their contents to their users. Now, if iRex begins to offers newspaper contents, they've changed business direction pretty radically ... and that could happen.

A problem is that I don't give a fig for newspaper contents in general. De Tijd ... who cares? Not me, I can't read it. A field test might be interesting from a technical point of view, but it won't last for very long.

I'd doubt there will be useful newspaper contents on a regular basis until there are sufficient iLiad users to subscribe to it. At present, I rather doubt there's enough users to support some kind of international news reporting a la CNN. In a couple of years, perhaps?

Jorgen · 10-11-2006, 04:08 AM

Good idea if one could find a newspaper in the world worth reading.

Alexander Turcic · 10-11-2006, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ath

I'd doubt there will be useful newspaper contents on a regular basis until there are sufficient iLiad users to subscribe to it. At present, I rather doubt there's enough users to support some kind of international news reporting a la CNN. In a couple of years, perhaps?

According to earlier news (~ April 2006), the New York Times and International Herald Tribune were in discussions to make subscriptions available this year - specifically for the iLiad. It's all under the "eNews initiative," where 21 newspapers from 13 countries were said to be testing the iLiad as part of the project.

NatCh · 10-11-2006, 12:09 PM

Part of the problem iRex is having with newspapers is that they just want to sell them the devices and have the papers assume the cost of advertising and otherwise finding users.

It doesn't benefit the paper that much to move a given reader from paper to electronic, they need to add new customers, or move very large chunks of their existing customer base to electronic in order to see any benefit at all -- their printing and distribution costs just aren't that much on a per reader basis.

Add into that mix an $800 device plus all the costs & trouble of getting anyone to use it ....

pdam · 10-11-2006, 01:01 PM

I'm not sure that that is the case ...

given the iDS service, I would have thought that they really want newspapers to format for their device, they skim a %age off of any subscription - if popular - this would be a much better model than just selling the devices, more akin to the mobile phone model than just shifting kit.

I agree about leaving the onous on the newspapers to acquire customers ... but the newspaper wouldn't just be moving customers from p to e more importantly for newspapers would be moving casual buyers (from newstands for instance) into subscribers during the process of a shift from p to e - this would be a huge benefit assuming the shift happens and customers like the format.

Still newspapers and magazines are a tired format the medium doesn't make them any more interesting - blogs and forums etc take a lot of mindshare and viewing time/ad spend - there is overfocus on newspapers for my taste.

Steve Jordan · 10-11-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorgen

Good idea if one could find a newspaper in the world worth reading.

Ooochie!

Personally, I think the newspaper industry needs to embrace the idea of electronic versions for e-readers. The ability to scan, bookmark and save, read what you want, and not use up five pounds of paper a day, make e-newspapers a great idea. If they work out a simple subscription- or pay-based daily download method, anyone with a reader could get into it.

I suspect that monthly pop magazines might beat them to the punch, and show 'em how it's done.

scotty1024 · 10-12-2006, 01:58 AM

Why is that we never seem to be able get any of these demos to admire at home? Sigh.... I mean you go to a book faire and some "booth babe" is flashing cleavage and shoving sheets of expensive multi-color press printed high gloss clay coated paper at you. Go to an ebook faire and were are all the free no cost to give away demo documents???

And then I sheepishly remember, the iLiad is so secure you can't even give me a free copy of an edocument. Doh!

donkaarlos · 06-21-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty1024

Why is that we never seem to be able get any of these demos to admire at home? Sigh.... I mean you go to a book faire and some "booth babe" is flashing cleavage and shoving sheets of expensive multi-color press printed high gloss clay coated paper at you. Go to an ebook faire and were are all the free no cost to give away demo documents???

And then I sheepishly remember, the iLiad is so secure you can't even give me a free copy of an edocument. Doh!

One year later ... still waiting for a demo ...

yvanleterrible · 06-21-2007, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorgen

Good idea if one could find a newspaper in the world worth reading.

Some paper articles look like that CNN band that runs at the bottom of the screen. One day they will come to look like the papers in the movie version of Farenheit 451.

JSWolf · 06-21-2007, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watcha

My final choice of reader to buy will depend on a) content available in the UK; b) ease of use.

First I want to read books (Sony ahead here, but sadly not in the UK) and then hopefully news and features (I'd pay for my reads).

I guess my third wish is the ability to be able to complete (or try!) the paper's Sudoku puzzle, or even crossword!

Book Designer is one way to get content on the reader. Just purchase your books in LIT format. Then download CLIT 1.8, break the DRM, load the lIT into BD, format as needed save the ebook, load onto the Sony and enjoy a good read.

Almost forgot, you can also use Book Designer to write out PRC files that the iLiad with MobiPocket can read. Plus, you'll end up with books that do not have DRM all over them.

splat · 06-22-2007, 05:09 AM

I know one of the factors could be Amazon's Kindle. I have approached a number of newspapers "here" about having their papers digitized, those who were receptive to the idea were already in deals with Amazon and wouldn't be releasing for other devices.

mill0r · 06-22-2007, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay, but now would be a good time for iRex to start offering newspaper content. How many people agree with me?

Les Echos agrees

http://www.lesechos.fr/epaper/inscription.htm

10-10-2006, 10:13 AM	#1
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 12,730 Karma: 71589 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Sony Portable Reader	Digital newspaper for the iRex iLiad demoed at IfraExpo The IfraExpo 2006 has thrown open its doors in Amsterdam yesterday, and two Dutch dudes are showing off how beautiful the iRex iLiad would be if we were able to download digital newspaper content via WiFi onto it. The software used is apparently made by a company called SoliDAM. A quick glance at their site reveals that they are specialized in extracting PDF content ("Elara Callisto") and converting it to structured XML or bitmap formats for re-use in a content management system (such as iDS). I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for the delay, but now would be a good time for iRex to start offering newspaper content. How many people agree with me?

10-10-2006, 01:32 PM	#3
watcha Not so junior! Posts: 29 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: UK Device: iRex Iliad	amen to the above My final choice of reader to buy will depend on a) content available in the UK; b) ease of use. First I want to read books (Sony ahead here, but sadly not in the UK) and then hopefully news and features (I'd pay for my reads). I guess my third wish is the ability to be able to complete (or try!) the paper's Sudoku puzzle, or even crossword!

10-11-2006, 12:09 PM	#7
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,484 Karma: 31590 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: PRS600	Part of the problem iRex is having with newspapers is that they just want to sell them the devices and have the papers assume the cost of advertising and otherwise finding users. It doesn't benefit the paper that much to move a given reader from paper to electronic, they need to add new customers, or move very large chunks of their existing customer base to electronic in order to see any benefit at all -- their printing and distribution costs just aren't that much on a per reader basis. Add into that mix an $800 device plus all the costs & trouble of getting anyone to use it .... __________________ ΨΦ! "Torg, why do you have emergency pants?" -- Riff

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10-10-2006, 12:18 PM	#2
pitcher23 Zealot Posts: 138 Karma: 12 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York USA	I agree with you. One of the reason I am for Mobipocket support is that my local paper has a website that I can convert using the previous version of Mobi creater. The current only does RSS which I find inferior that creating my own news sites. Even if Irex distributed newspaper content without Mobi, provided they had a lot to choose from, I would subscribe immediately

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Jorgen Connoisseur Posts: 71 Karma: 84 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Spain Device: PPCs, BEBOOK Mini, Nokia n810	Good idea if one could find a newspaper in the world worth reading.

10-11-2006, 01:01 PM	#8
pdam Groupie Posts: 199 Karma: 100 Join Date: Aug 2006 Device: iLiad, iPaq, Psion5&7, Blackberry	I'm not sure that that is the case ... given the iDS service, I would have thought that they really want newspapers to format for their device, they skim a %age off of any subscription - if popular - this would be a much better model than just selling the devices, more akin to the mobile phone model than just shifting kit. I agree about leaving the onous on the newspapers to acquire customers ... but the newspaper wouldn't just be moving customers from p to e more importantly for newspapers would be moving casual buyers (from newstands for instance) into subscribers during the process of a shift from p to e - this would be a huge benefit assuming the shift happens and customers like the format. Still newspapers and magazines are a tired format the medium doesn't make them any more interesting - blogs and forums etc take a lot of mindshare and viewing time/ad spend - there is overfocus on newspapers for my taste.

10-12-2006, 01:58 AM	#10
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	Why is that we never seem to be able get any of these demos to admire at home? Sigh.... I mean you go to a book faire and some "booth babe" is flashing cleavage and shoving sheets of expensive multi-color press printed high gloss clay coated paper at you. Go to an ebook faire and were are all the free no cost to give away demo documents??? And then I sheepishly remember, the iLiad is so secure you can't even give me a free copy of an edocument. Doh!

06-22-2007, 05:09 AM	#14
splat Connoisseur Posts: 86 Karma: 36 Join Date: Dec 2006	I know one of the factors could be Amazon's Kindle. I have approached a number of newspapers "here" about having their papers digitized, those who were receptive to the idea were already in deals with Amazon and wouldn't be releasing for other devices.