Kindle: Text-to-speech disabling has arrived

KarlB · 05-13-2009, 10:15 AM

This apparently began yesterday. See Toni Morrison's A Mercy for example, and note the text "Text-to-Speech: Not enabled" below the price information. I did a more-or-less random scan of popular novels in the Kindle store and found 14 out of 42 books had this annotation.

Get out the Crayolas and color me not-happy.

CCDMan · 05-13-2009, 10:56 AM

I am glad that Amazon has made this information fairly visible at least. I am sure they too want to squeeze the publishers and authors on this. Perhaps that will allow Kindle content buyers to vote with their dollars by not buying these and by posting negative comments (which I plan to do right now).

JSWolf · 05-13-2009, 11:01 AM

Strip the DRM and get TTS back.

Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook?

David Munch · 05-13-2009, 11:49 AM

And theres an easy answer to this behavior - Don't buy "No TTS" books! ....Hey, don't buy DRM books!

bhartman36 · 05-13-2009, 12:49 PM

It's a shame that Amazon caved in and allowed publishers to disable TTS, but I'm glad that at least there's a way to know it beforehand now. I have a friend who's legally blind who would like to own a Kindle, but didn't want to take the chance of buying an ebook, just to find out that it had the TTS disabled. At least now he'll have that information. (Of course, I'm not sure he'd want a Kindle, knowing that publishers could do this, but it does make it more likely that he'd buy one.)

I put a no-tts tag on Morrison's book. I plan to do so on any book that I find with that kind of restriction. Publishers should be ashamed.

wallcraft · 05-13-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook?

If stripping the DRM isn't enough (and it might not be), then run it through Calibre. The output from Calibre should not have the TTS flag in its metadata at all.

Since Amazon has already said that copyright holders have no right to restrict TTS, I assume they won't complain if someone works out how to re-enable TTS without stripping DRM. I would not be surprised if this easy to do (it is either easy or impossible). The authors and publishers could still object though.

catsittingstill · 05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

At least you can tell which books are TTS disabled, so you can factor that in while thinking about whether the book is worth the price. Thanks, KarlB, for alerting us!

tompe · 05-13-2009, 01:55 PM

Has anybody checked the meta data of the books to see if it is something simple to change?

Daithi · 05-13-2009, 02:07 PM

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

numindast · 05-13-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

This would impede the ability to search for good books based on review stars for folks who don't use TTS, though.

... oh wait, book reviews on Amazon are kinda like AOL chatrooms for pre-adolescents anyway. Nevermind.

j/k!

bhartman36 · 05-13-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daithi

How about giving the books a one-star review as well?

I did consider this. The problem is that stars aren't for certain categories, but just overall scores. You have to specify your reason in the actual review. This has the unintended consequence of potentially biasing results against a particular author in an unwarranted way. For example, Toni Morrison's A Mercy has the TTS disabled, but other books of hers do not. Worse, unlike the quality of a book, the TTS status of a book can potentially change. I don't know how often -- or even if -- that has happened, but it's a possibility. And as long as it's a possibility, there's the potential that such a rating could unfairly affect a book, if its status changes.

Of course, the same can be said of taggign a book no-tts, but at least you can flag a tag as inappropriate for a book (e.g., when a book that's been given the 9.99 boycott tag has a price drop).

And of course, the other thing to consider is that ratings go across formats. Should a paperback get a bad review just because the ebook version of the book doesn't have TTS?

Daithi · 05-13-2009, 07:39 PM

To be honest, I'm not sure that giving the book a one star review is the way to go. I suppose if not having TTS really upsets you then give it a single star review (you can always delete your reviews if things change later). Otherwise, you could find other ways to protest -- write the publisher/author, don't buy it, etc. Personally, I'd want TTS, but it's really not a make or break feature for me.

whitearrow · 05-13-2009, 07:39 PM

IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews.

Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

Sporadic · 05-13-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews.

Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

I can understand giving it a bad review for poor formatting or something of that nature but nobody should give bad reviews for disabled TTS.

fugazied · 05-13-2009, 10:18 PM

Well it's not Amazon's fault so much as it is the fault of the specific publisher.
Publishers are still terrified of the internet/ebooks and how it affects their copyright it seems.

05-13-2009, 10:15 AM	#1
KarlB Member Posts: 21 Karma: 40 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kindle 2	Kindle: Text-to-speech disabling has arrived This apparently began yesterday. See Toni Morrison's A Mercy for example, and note the text "Text-to-Speech: Not enabled" below the price information. I did a more-or-less random scan of popular novels in the Kindle store and found 14 out of 42 books had this annotation. Get out the Crayolas and color me not-happy. Last edited by Nate the great; 05-13-2009 at 10:21 AM. Reason: fixed the link, moved to front page

05-13-2009, 10:56 AM	#2
CCDMan Skeptic Posts: 289 Karma: 541 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Device: Kindle 1, iPod Touch, Kindle 2	I am glad that Amazon has made this information fairly visible at least. I am sure they too want to squeeze the publishers and authors on this. Perhaps that will allow Kindle content buyers to vote with their dollars by not buying these and by posting negative comments (which I plan to do right now). __________________ For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken

05-13-2009, 11:01 AM	#3
JSWolf Mobile Reader Geek Posts: 17,388 Karma: 21146 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	Strip the DRM and get TTS back. Speaking of stripping the DRM, has anyone actually tried to strip the DRM of a TTS disabled eBook? __________________ Jon If you want to listen to really good music while you surf Mobileread, here.

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM	#7
catsittingstill Addict Posts: 390 Karma: 2840 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle 1.0.8, Kindle 2 (Thank You!) iPod Touch	At least you can tell which books are TTS disabled, so you can factor that in while thinking about whether the book is worth the price. Thanks, KarlB, for alerting us! __________________ Cat Faber

05-13-2009, 01:55 PM	#8
tompe Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 6506 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Cybook Gen3	Has anybody checked the meta data of the books to see if it is something simple to change? __________________ DRM is EVIL! /Tommy Persson

05-13-2009, 11:49 AM	#4
David Munch Scholar Posts: 96 Karma: 1252 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Denmark Device: None :"(	And theres an easy answer to this behavior - Don't buy "No TTS" books! ....Hey, don't buy DRM books!

05-13-2009, 12:49 PM	#5
bhartman36 Zealot Posts: 111 Karma: 428 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: Kindle 1	It's a shame that Amazon caved in and allowed publishers to disable TTS, but I'm glad that at least there's a way to know it beforehand now. I have a friend who's legally blind who would like to own a Kindle, but didn't want to take the chance of buying an ebook, just to find out that it had the TTS disabled. At least now he'll have that information. (Of course, I'm not sure he'd want a Kindle, knowing that publishers could do this, but it does make it more likely that he'd buy one.) I put a no-tts tag on Morrison's book. I plan to do so on any book that I find with that kind of restriction. Publishers should be ashamed.

05-13-2009, 02:07 PM	#9
Daithi Monkey College Posts: 1,103 Karma: 12430 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Kindle 1 and Kindle DX	How about giving the books a one-star review as well? __________________ A Site Designed for Kindle Owners

05-13-2009, 07:39 PM	#12
Daithi Monkey College Posts: 1,103 Karma: 12430 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Rhode Island Device: Kindle 1 and Kindle DX	To be honest, I'm not sure that giving the book a one star review is the way to go. I suppose if not having TTS really upsets you then give it a single star review (you can always delete your reviews if things change later). Otherwise, you could find other ways to protest -- write the publisher/author, don't buy it, etc. Personally, I'd want TTS, but it's really not a make or break feature for me. __________________ A Site Designed for Kindle Owners

05-13-2009, 07:39 PM	#13
whitearrow Addict Posts: 225 Karma: 286 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Kindle 2	IMO it's inappropriate and unfair to the author to give a book a review based on anything but the content of the book. Things like price and the technical limitations can and do change. They author had nothing to do with these things, in all likelihood, and it's sort of unfair to punish them with bad reviews. Every item on Amazon has a forum, and IMO that's a much better place for issues like price and TTS.

05-13-2009, 10:18 PM	#15
fugazied Wizard Posts: 1,119 Karma: 1240 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: iPod Touch	Well it's not Amazon's fault so much as it is the fault of the specific publisher. Publishers are still terrified of the internet/ebooks and how it affects their copyright it seems. __________________ Using: Kindle DX + iPhone! EBook Fanatic!

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