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Old 05-07-2008, 04:40 PM   #1
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Question Can I Buy Kindle books to read on my Sony?

Thanks to someones post, I was able to easily convert my MS Reader files to read on my New Sony 505.

Is there a converter that I can use to buy and read Kindle books on my Sony 505?

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Old 05-07-2008, 04:49 PM   #2
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Is there a converter that I can use to buy and read Kindle books on my Sony 505?
Out of the box... no.

That said, it's possible there is a way to remove the DRM from a Kindle book. But, I haven't heard about it. also, I don't think you can buy kindle books unless you have a Kindle registered to your Amazon account anyway.

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Old 05-13-2008, 08:00 PM   #3
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if i was able to buy a kindle book how would i remove the drm?
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:53 PM   #4
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we aren't allowed to discuss such activities here, perhaps you could Google for solutions

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if i was able to buy a kindle book how would i remove the drm?
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:09 PM   #5
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Out of the box... no.

That said, it's possible there is a way to remove the DRM from a Kindle book. But, I haven't heard about it. also, I don't think you can buy kindle books unless you have a Kindle registered to your Amazon account anyway.

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Only azw (I think that's the file type) files though right? Some of the Kindle books are a new format called tpz of something like that, from what I've read the encryption is different than the Mobipocket DRM the azw files use.
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Old 05-13-2008, 11:12 PM   #6
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If you are going to go to this much trouble to violate the DMCA, you might as well just download illegal versions off the net. It would save you lots of hassle.

The legality would be the same. Morally speaking, you might feel better about buying and then stripping the DRM, but either way you would be violating DMCA.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:39 PM   #7
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so you support laws that violate simple human rights that once I buy something I own it and should be able to do anything I want with it.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:43 PM   #8
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It doesn't matter how easy it is to remove the DRM and then convert Kindle eBooks. The fact of the matter is that unless you own a Kindle, you cannot purchase them from Amazon. It's not a matter of your rights being violated. It's a matter of you don't own a Kindle so why do you need to know how to remove the DRM from eBooks you cannot legally get a hold of?
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Old 05-17-2008, 12:33 AM   #9
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so you support laws that violate simple human rights that once I buy something I own it and should be able to do anything I want with it.

See but you don't own the ebook. You buy a license to use it. In the new digital era, you don't own things. Thats why you forfeit the right to sell them or transfer them to other people. You can not sell that which you do not own.

I never said I supported the law either. Just making a point of if you are going to break the law, why go to more trouble than its worth.
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Old 05-17-2008, 06:32 AM   #10
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If both are available, buy the LIT version over the MOBI/AZW because LIT is a less processed version of the OEB ebook format than MOBI.

If there is no LIT version, then see Mobipocket Decoder Tool and be prepared to spend some time with Google and python.
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See but you don't own the ebook. You buy a license to use it. In the new digital era, you don't own things. Thats why you forfeit the right to sell them or transfer them to other people. You can not sell that which you do not own.
Interesting. Can you show me on an eBook store where this is stated? Not that I don't belive you, I've just never seen that in writing.

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Old 05-18-2008, 12:04 AM   #12
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From the Sony Ebook Store Terms of Service:

7.7. Restriction on Use Related to Content. The license granted to you hereunder does not convey to you any of the following: (a) reproduction or promotional use rights in the Content (e.g., any uses that implicate or require public performance or print music rights, or any use that would result in the commercial redistribution of the Content or the musical composition underlying the Content), (b) rights to enter into arrangements with any revenue-generating broadcast system (terrestrial, satellite, cable and/or other distribution channels), (c) rights to distribute or redistribute Content on streaming applications (via Internet, intranets and/or other networks), (d) rights to distribute to others Content on other content distribution systems (pay-audio or audio-on-demand applications and the like) or on physical media (compact discs, digital versatile discs, semiconductor chips, hard drives, memory cards and the like), or (e) commercial, sale, resale, reproduction, distribution or promotional use rights for the Content. Any digital rights management solution that is provided with Content is an inseparable part. If you have Content, it is your responsibility not to lose, destroy or damage such Content.


Part e: says you don't have the right for sale or resale. Basically you are giving up the right to the First Sale doctrine, "The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained."(Wikipedia)

Now whether such terms of serivce are legally binding and would hold up, I don't know. IANAL.

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Old 05-18-2008, 01:23 AM   #13
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What is that from, the Kindle license?

To me "Commercial sale or resale" and "transfer of license" are two different things.

Although the DRM of the Kindle is set up in such a way that is it virtually impossible to transfer the license of an ebook to someone elses kindle. I think they should add this to the system though as selling used books is a good way for people to generate income to buy new books.

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Old 05-18-2008, 03:20 AM   #14
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Interesting. Can you show me on an eBook store where this is stated? Not that I don't belive you, I've just never seen that in writing.

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From the Fictionwise "Terms of Service" page:

All eBooks at Fictionwise.com are the exclusive property of the publisher or its licensors and is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws. The download of these product(s) is intended for the Fictionwise Member's personal and noncommercial use. Any other use of eBooks downloaded from Fictionwise.com is strictly prohibited. Users may not modify, transmit, publish, participate in the transfer or sale of, reproduce, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, display, or in any way exploit, any of the content of these product(s), in whole or in part. By downloading Fictionwise eBooks, the User hereby acknowledges and agrees to these terms.

Emphasis mine. As you see, you don't own books that you download from fictionwise (they remain the "exclusive property of the publisher or its licensors") and you can't "transfer or sell" them.
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Old 05-18-2008, 11:29 AM   #15
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I should have mentioned that was Sony's TOS, but I am sure Amazon's is similar
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