Kindle Edition != Mobipocket?

Adam B. · 11-19-2007, 10:33 AM

So I'm looking through Amazon's store at their Kindle Edition books. I like the pricing on them (I'm a cheap bastard

). But I have to register my "Kindle" to buy it or even view the free sample. I thought I had read that the Kindle uses the Mobipocket format.

Why would Amazon create yet another incompatible DRM format? Has anyone been able to get a Kindle edition book to test with?

tirsales · 11-19-2007, 10:37 AM

Well, hope is still somewhere. I see two (rather unlikely but optimistic) good versions and one pessimistic, but propable version:

1. They continue selling via Mobipocket and sell their Kindle-Books there too
2. They start selling Kindle-Books to "normal eReaders"
3. They will sell Kindle-Books only to Kindle-Users (and only in the US for the next two years).
I like Amazon - but that would seriously piss me off.

igorsk · 11-19-2007, 10:49 AM

Kindle's User Guide in ".AZW Kindle Format". The file IS Mobipocket format (rename it to .mobi).

tirsales · 11-19-2007, 10:49 AM

From the manul:
Supported filetypes:

• Kindle (.AZW)
• Text (.TXT)
• Unprotected Mobipocket (.MOBI, .PRC)
• Audible (.AA)
• MP3 (.MP3)
Tip: Mobipocket files must have no Digital Rights Management (DRM) protection
applied to be readable on your Kindle. If you purchased a Mobipocket file from a
Mobipocket retailer, you will not be able to open the file on your Kindle.

--

That answears this question ...

CommanderROR · 11-19-2007, 10:51 AM

does not sound too promising...but if .azw is .mobi...

da_jane · 11-19-2007, 10:56 AM

Sounds like the super proprietary Amazon mobipocket we all feared.

Alisa · 11-19-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da_jane

Sounds like the super proprietary Amazon mobipocket we all feared.

It sounds like they also won't be selling them directly to anyone who doesn't own a Kindle, either. I'm hoping at least the titles make it to Mobipocket sellers even if the price is a little higher.

tribble · 11-19-2007, 10:59 AM

This really, really sucks. Amazon is locking buyers in. Thats what i hate about Apple. Well, time to buy books anywhere but amazon.

HarryT · 11-19-2007, 11:01 AM

Oh well - should make our Mobi downloads more popular, at least

.

I would GUESS (and a guess is all it is) that the Kindle is a standard DRM-encoded Mobi file, and that the sales mechanism will encode it for the user's registered device automatically. IF that's the case, and IF the Mobi PID is accessible somehow, that would let Kindle owners buy other Mobi books. What it will NOT do, of course, is allow non-Kindle-owners to buy Kindle books.

da_jane · 11-19-2007, 11:06 AM

Do you read it to say that you can only buy the Kindle book from the Kindle device itself?

da_jane · 11-19-2007, 11:07 AM

Okay, I answered my own question:

1-Click to order your Kindle Edition. Your purchase will be sent automatically and wirelessly to the Kindle via Amazon Whispernet. No cables, no computer, no syncing.

Nate the great · 11-19-2007, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by da_jane

Do you read it to say that you can only buy the Kindle book from the Kindle device itself?

You can only buy Kindle ebooks if you have a Kindle.

igorsk · 11-19-2007, 11:21 AM

You can buy books using PC, but you need to have a Kindle registered to your account.

tribble · 11-19-2007, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igorsk

You can buy books using PC, but you need to have a Kindle registered to your account.

But you cannot download them to your PC only get them transferred via Whispernet. Am i right?

JSWolf · 11-19-2007, 11:33 AM

Unless the Kindle encrypts the PID when they send it to the site, use a WEP wireless connection and with another wireless computer watch the stream as you register your Kindle and then see if any of the packets contain the PID. Then if there is a way to get the books off the Kindle, you'll have the PID.

Now, what I want to know is will Kindle books have images that are Kindle screen sized instead of PDA sized?

11-19-2007, 10:33 AM	#1
Adam B. Addicted to Porting Posts: 1,694 Karma: 7132 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Device: iRex iLiad, Nokia 770, Samsung i760	Kindle Edition != Mobipocket? So I'm looking through Amazon's store at their Kindle Edition books. I like the pricing on them (I'm a cheap bastard ). But I have to register my "Kindle" to buy it or even view the free sample. I thought I had read that the Kindle uses the Mobipocket format. Why would Amazon create yet another incompatible DRM format? Has anyone been able to get a Kindle edition book to test with? __________________ Openiliad.com - Your source for iLiad Software and Documentation

11-19-2007, 10:51 AM	#5
CommanderROR eink fanatic Posts: 2,005 Karma: 4900 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Germany Device: STAReBOOK, iRex Iliad, Sony 505, Kindle 2	does not sound too promising...but if .azw is .mobi... __________________ In German, a young lady has no sex, while a turnip has. Mark Twain

11-19-2007, 10:56 AM	#6
da_jane Addict Posts: 309 Karma: 394 Join Date: Sep 2006 Device: Sony PRS 700	Sounds like the super proprietary Amazon mobipocket we all feared. __________________ DearAuthor.Com Reviews and Commentary of romance books and the publishing industry by the two Ja(y)nes.

11-19-2007, 10:59 AM	#8
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,380 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: iRex iLiad v2 / CyBook / DR1000S / BeBook / PRS505 / PRS500 (broken)	This really, really sucks. Amazon is locking buyers in. Thats what i hate about Apple. Well, time to buy books anywhere but amazon. __________________ justread.de - Die neue Art zu lesen offizieller iRex Reseller für Deutschland

11-19-2007, 11:01 AM	#9
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 24,773 Karma: 43285 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Gen3, Opus, DR1000S, iPod Touch, Pocketbook 360, PRS-600, Kindle 2	Oh well - should make our Mobi downloads more popular, at least . I would GUESS (and a guess is all it is) that the Kindle is a standard DRM-encoded Mobi file, and that the sales mechanism will encode it for the user's registered device automatically. IF that's the case, and IF the Mobi PID is accessible somehow, that would let Kindle owners buy other Mobi books. What it will NOT do, of course, is allow non-Kindle-owners to buy Kindle books. __________________ Harry

11-19-2007, 10:37 AM	#2
tirsales Under pressure Posts: 1,521 Karma: 10648 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Device: Really not owning a PRS-700	Well, hope is still somewhere. I see two (rather unlikely but optimistic) good versions and one pessimistic, but propable version: 1. They continue selling via Mobipocket and sell their Kindle-Books there too 2. They start selling Kindle-Books to "normal eReaders" 3. They will sell Kindle-Books only to Kindle-Users (and only in the US for the next two years). I like Amazon - but that would seriously piss me off.

11-19-2007, 10:49 AM	#3
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,111 Karma: 17432 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	Kindle's User Guide in ".AZW Kindle Format". The file IS Mobipocket format (rename it to .mobi).

11-19-2007, 11:06 AM	#10
da_jane Addict Posts: 309 Karma: 394 Join Date: Sep 2006 Device: Sony PRS 700	Do you read it to say that you can only buy the Kindle book from the Kindle device itself? __________________ DearAuthor.Com Reviews and Commentary of romance books and the publishing industry by the two Ja(y)nes.

11-19-2007, 11:07 AM	#11
da_jane Addict Posts: 309 Karma: 394 Join Date: Sep 2006 Device: Sony PRS 700	Okay, I answered my own question: 1-Click to order your Kindle Edition. Your purchase will be sent automatically and wirelessly to the Kindle via Amazon Whispernet. No cables, no computer, no syncing. __________________ DearAuthor.Com Reviews and Commentary of romance books and the publishing industry by the two Ja(y)nes.

11-19-2007, 11:21 AM	#13
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,111 Karma: 17432 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	You can buy books using PC, but you need to have a Kindle registered to your account.

11-19-2007, 11:33 AM	#15
JSWolf Mobile Reader Geek Posts: 17,391 Karma: 21146 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	Unless the Kindle encrypts the PID when they send it to the site, use a WEP wireless connection and with another wireless computer watch the stream as you register your Kindle and then see if any of the packets contain the PID. Then if there is a way to get the books off the Kindle, you'll have the PID. Now, what I want to know is will Kindle books have images that are Kindle screen sized instead of PDA sized? __________________ Jon If you want to listen to really good music while you surf Mobileread, here.

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