New York Times review: K2 - Page 2

krisk · 02-24-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Krisk, just sign up for a free Carbonite account. You can back up all of your Kindle purchases there quite easily. In fact, you can create a separate folder for each Kindle (that's what I do for my three) and never have to worry about them again.

Oh! Excellent!

RickyMaveety · 02-24-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spec2

Yes, but I think Pogue's point was if the Kindle is abandoned then sooner or later you are either going to want to replace it, either by necessity or desire. Your backed up Kindle books won't do you much good in the new non-Kindle reader. If you wanted to read those books again you'd have to rebuy them or break the DRM.

If that was his point, then he didn't make the point very well. He makes it sound as if the second Amazon goes poof .... your library goes poof as well. And, that is simply not true.

Add that to the fact that a lot of your Kindle library could be non-DRM'd books from .... oh, say here, for example .... and his point (if that is his point) becomes even more obscure.

And, as a point of fact .... if my books are backed up (as they are), and Amazon goes belly up, no one is going to be there to enforce Amazon's DRM, are they?? So, who exactly is going to give a crap if I break the DRM on my Kindle books?? Amazon??

RickyMaveety · 02-24-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The following is a load of rubbish. As long as Amazon keeps the Kindle eBooks just for the Kindle, Amazon is not going to mainstream eBooks at all.

You mean like Sony keeps LRF just for the Sony Reader??

JSWolf · 02-24-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alisa

I think it's advisable for any kind of data backup to have both a physical copy in your possession as well as an off site copy. These days "cloud" storage (storing things on remote servers) is becoming more popular and affordable. However, if something happens with your account or the company hosting it, you may lose access to your data so it shouldn't be your only backup. However, that storage server, memory stick or external hard drive that is in the same house as your computer won't do you much good if you have a fire. A combination is best.

If you are backing up to an external HD, get a fire and water proof storage container for all the backups. Problem solved.

Alisa · 02-24-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you are backing up to an external HD, get a fire and water proof storage container for all the backups. Problem solved.

Fireproof containers are only rated to resist fire for a certain amount of time. I wouldn't rely on them 100%.

pilotbob · 02-24-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Not too bad. Only one blatant misstatement .... you only lose your library if Amazon goes under, or stops supporting the Kindle AND you were stupid enough not to back up your library to your PC.

I wonder if when Pouge reviews iPods he makes the same obviously obnoxiously stupid statement about Apple going away?

BOb

kovidgoyal · 02-24-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Legally, you are entitled to make backup copies (complete with DRM) for each of your Kindles. If Amazon killed the Kindle, and you have your (quite legally) backed up books on your PC, you can simply copy them back to your Kindle.

And when your Kindle dies?

pilotbob · 02-24-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

And when your Kindle dies?

Buy a new one on ebay?

This argument against the Kindle is just as silly as arguing "what about pregnancy from rape" as the basis for pro-choice laws. It is just such an insignificant issue.

BOb

kovidgoyal · 02-24-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Buy a new one on ebay?

This argument against the Kindle is just as silly as arguing "what about pregnancy from rape" as the basis for pro-choice laws. It is just such an insignificant issue.

BOb

If Amazon stops manufacturing Kindles, how long do you expect them to stick around on eBay?

pilotbob · 02-24-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

If Amazon stops manufacturing Kindles, how long do you expect them to stick around on eBay?

Quite a while... because as people start moving away from them more will become available.

Since I do remove the DRM though... I am in no way worried.

BOb

JSWolf · 02-24-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

You mean like Sony keeps LRF just for the Sony Reader??

eBook Library will allow you to view LRF/LRX on your Windows based computer. So you are not limited to just using a Reader. You can purchase eBooks from Sony and view then on most computers.

kovidgoyal · 02-24-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Quite a while... because as people start moving away from them more will become available.

Since I do remove the DRM though... I am in no way worried.

BOb

But that was precisely the original article's point, you have to mess with the DRM to be assured of permanent access to your books.

And since an ebook readers battery capacity will fall off dramatically after a couple of years, the eBay market is not going to be a viable recourse.

MsAstoria · 02-24-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Krisk, just sign up for a free Carbonite account.

Looks like it's $50 a year, not free or maybe I missed something.

Nate the great · 02-24-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

If Amazon stops manufacturing Kindles, how long do you expect them to stick around on eBay?

At least 5 years.

WilliamG · 02-24-2009, 03:10 PM

Eh, what is that reviewer on?

"The point everyone is missing is that in Technoland, nothing ever replaces anything. E-book readers won’t replace books. The iPhone won’t replace e-book readers. Everything just splinters. They will all thrive, serving their respective audiences."

Really? So DVDs didn't replace VHS tapes, or that MP3s haven't all but replaced CDs for most of us? Or that e-mail hasn't all but replaced writing letters to people, or that e-mail hasn't all but replaced the fax machine? Did Best Buy not replace Circuit City?

Anyway, do any of us really think we can keep chopping down trees forever? The eReader, perhaps not in its current form, IS the future of reading. No question.

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02-24-2009, 03:10 PM	#30
WilliamG Addict Posts: 303 Karma: 60998 Join Date: Sep 2006	Eh, what is that reviewer on? "The point everyone is missing is that in Technoland, nothing ever replaces anything. E-book readers won’t replace books. The iPhone won’t replace e-book readers. Everything just splinters. They will all thrive, serving their respective audiences." Really? So DVDs didn't replace VHS tapes, or that MP3s haven't all but replaced CDs for most of us? Or that e-mail hasn't all but replaced writing letters to people, or that e-mail hasn't all but replaced the fax machine? Did Best Buy not replace Circuit City? Anyway, do any of us really think we can keep chopping down trees forever? The eReader, perhaps not in its current form, IS the future of reading. No question.

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