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It's all a big red herring and Shatkin is just another FUD distributor. Amazon is like Walmart, they don't use their market dominance to drive up customer prices, they use it to squeeze their supplier. That's what the publishers are afraid of and that's why the FUD campaign. |
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on the other hand once rh panguin and all others have each others apps on ther own stores how do u no if person is reading a ebook on ibook app or rh or kindle
on my ipad mini i have google books stanza kindle ibooks kobo and lots more my point is u can buy ebooks stanza kindle ibooks kobo and lots more ebook web sites non of them no what u use the most they just know u r device has the apps im not one for a over charged ebook i do shop around. but i do limit the ebook apps to ones i find the easyest to use but that could be kindle ibooks rh but depends on cost just cus i own a kindle and an ipad mini doest means i stay to there default apps but once publishers can sell from own sites what happen then and that to me is why this is happening Last edited by sian; 07-11-2013 at 11:41 PM. |
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Then everything would have been nice and sanitised and they would have had a plausible argument that they were simply offering standard terms to each publishers, and had nothing to do with the publishers colluding to decide to accept. But they didn't do that. They allowed non-lawyers to get involved, which is why there is a papertrail proving that their hands were dirty too. Lesson here is to leave the law-breaking to the lawyers, they are the experts. |
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And letting it actually be written down is just stupid. |
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Publicly bragging about your illegal schemes is also likely to get your company into legal trouble.
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But... but... but... surely my desire for their actions to NOT be illegal trumps anything a silly old federal judge (and common sense) might have to say about it, right?
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As for the penalties and its affects... If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'm guessing that any monetary penalty will be minuscule compared to Apple's bottom line. There will probably be some public outcry, but Apple has a strong following and all will be forgotten in a few years. |
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If its the former, I'm sure others could've had a go of it as well. Last edited by K. Molen; 07-12-2013 at 10:17 AM. Reason: typo fix |
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There were plenty of books sold for more then $9.99.
I remember when I got my K1 thinking about getting the NY Times on it, the amount I would save on an annual subscription and that I was saving on best sellers (yes I read best sellers) was enough to pay off the K1. Amazon was working to make it worth while to buy the K1 because the silly thing was so expensive. That said, there were books that I did not buy because they were the same price as the paperback or hardback version and that bothered me at the time. |
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But... US antitrust law has a lot more flexibility in its "remedies" toolkit than just fines. Especially when dealing with companies with cashflows bigger than your typical small country. If Apple could have gotten out of this just by writing a check they would've settled along with the rest of the gang. But as ringleaders and repeat colluders, the feds wanted more from Apple than a promise not to misbehave again. They asked for 5 years of day to day monitoring of Apple dealmaking activity. It's not impossible to collude with federal lawyers and beancounters tracking your every move but it certainly makes it trickier. And a third offense might bring out the big guns... There is no indication the judge intends to penalize Apple much beyond the DOJ settlement terms but...she can and she could. Given the evidence the DOJ presented she can arguably apply an ATT solution as an alternative or supplement to monitoring. From here on out Apple needs to be "wewy, wewy caweful..." |
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No different than weekly sales at supermarkets or dept stores. And that is Amazon's true crime; they treat books like any other consumer product instead of as a special snowflake. |
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