06-17-2013, 12:37 AM | #31 | |
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I can still see in my mind the little folders all in their boxes and how nice it made me feel. Everything was complete in each folder. I was kind of devastated when I finished them all. I guess I thought they would go on forever. Helen |
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06-17-2013, 12:57 AM | #32 |
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My twins are now 19. I did not raise them to be reading snobs. I raised them to read for enjoyment. My son is not much of a reader, my daughter is. She read all the YA stuff like twilight at 12/13, then the Hunger Games and other teen books. She now reads adult books.
I have to say the favourite book they read at 13 during school was The Boy In The Striped Pyjamas. Second favourite was Animal Farm, that was my favourite as a child as well. Sorry but reading the classics is over rated. applesauce |
06-17-2013, 03:33 AM | #33 |
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I assume humans have considered their kids lacking in many a cultural field before reading (or culture, or even humans) have even been invented. It might even be the first primate tradition. Or maybe even the reptiles did it before us.
I can think of many great books in fantastic worlds or outer space that have done more for my mental development than, well, other fields possibly deemed more "worthy". And which reader started out with Dickens or Shakespeare? Reading is a taste that develops, much like your taste-buds do. Call them read-buds, if you want. I do not judge people´s taste in either, but I am happy to see them eat at all |
06-17-2013, 08:19 AM | #34 |
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Well, it goes back at least to Rome. There's a "famous" part of a Roman senator's oration where he complains about children.
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06-17-2013, 10:23 PM | #35 | |
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At 9 and 10, I started reading Stephen King novels and true crime books. I saw my fair share of R rated movies too..(cable TV) However, I didn't view my parents as peers, they were my parents. So, while they didn't censor my reading and tv/movie/music consumption all that much, they always knew who my friends were, where I was going, and what I was up to, especially my mom. These days, parents get all twitchy about media, yet lax about other things. |
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06-17-2013, 10:40 PM | #36 | |
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Unfortunately, when it comes to education factories the ability to judge how a child is responding is much more difficult. That's not too surprising since teachers simply have far too many children to keep track of, so it's harder to judge how a child is relating to the work. Speaking as a teacher, it is easy to figure out for some children but very difficult to figure out for other children. Making life more fun: different kids will respond to different teachers in different ways, so you can't rely upon the research to tell you which is which and thus who to watch out for. Ultimately that means that teachers have to take a more conservative approach in judging what is and isn't appropriate reading. Sometimes we'll loosen the reigns for students who we know better, but only when we know them well enough. (On the flip side, I taught teens math in another life. We had a "Drop Everything And Read" period during one math class. It was the easiest literacy course that I ever taught. I'd bring in a stack of readings ranging from newspapers to novels, then let the student choose. I'd also sit and read myself. No analysis. No grading. No judgement. It all worked so much better than a real language arts class.) |
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06-18-2013, 08:11 AM | #37 | |
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Even at 19 I always know exactly were my kids are. My kids had more rules on what they could do than anybody elses kids, I just did not censore them and ended up with amazing kids and not a single rebel. applesauce |
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06-18-2013, 03:06 PM | #38 | |
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06-18-2013, 04:43 PM | #39 |
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Well, when we stuff kids into rooms where they can't do anything active or really engaging, then teach them that 'real' reading means literary analysis, it's no wonder they don't like it. Plus, most US teachers aren't that good. Personal experience says that only about 3/4ths of them are really trying to teach, and of those who care most are young and in the process of getting burnt out.
Also, there's the twin whammies of US culture losing respect for education and many more broken homes. Teaching is hard enough with respectful and interested students. Trying to teach someone who's home is disrupted or broken is doubtless so much worse in so many ways. |
06-18-2013, 06:42 PM | #40 | |
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Just in case you might be wondering how I can be so adament about my statements? This last school year, I spent between 4-6 hrs per day, 4-5 days per week, in classrooms. Strictly voluneering, copying, filing, reading with indivuals, doing whatever needed to be done. Mostly in the second grade where my daughter taught, but whenever my granddaughters 5th grade teacher needed anything, or any teammates did, I was there. I saw first hand exactly what a dedicated teacher does.......not just my daughter, almost all. I won't say every teacher was outstanding, yes some are poor.......but they are in the minority, not the majority. |
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I'm not comparing high school students here. I am comparing students period. The grade structure was completely different, but students still were taught reading, writing, and arithmetic.
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As for the boogie man comments I make, I am just rather sarcastic and enjoy watching so called perfect parents whose kids are sneaking around having sex and drinking behind their backs not letting their kids watch a M rated movie. applesauce |
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I have never suffered more than when reading Moby Dick. Catcher in the Rye is not literature. Shakespeare is boring. Grendel was worse than Beowulf.
The only reason kids are not reading and analyzing Harry Potter and Stephen King is because the teachers would have to read and analyze Harry Potter and Stephen King. It's much easier to regurgitate the same lesson plans year after year. |
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