03-22-2010, 07:27 PM | #31 | |
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03-22-2010, 07:43 PM | #32 |
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Please inform me about the Apple terms when the iPad becomes available...
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03-22-2010, 07:50 PM | #34 |
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Amanzon can't "demand" access to your Kindle, that's the whole point about not getting too nervous about their ToS.
Don't buy eBooks from Amazon, don't turn on Whispernet, and Amazon will never ever know one lousy bit about your reading habits or what you store on your Kindle. It's really that simple. Still want to upgrade firmware? Download onto your PC, connect Kindle via USB. Still want to buy eBooks from Amazon? Load them to Kindle for PC (or Mac), rip them, upload them via USB to your Kindle. Amazon doesn't upload any of your eBooks to their servers ("all your eBooks are belong to us"). There isn't a horde of underpaid members from the outer party who browse through all your files to report any wrongdoing. This isn't 1984, after all ... |
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I don't really fancy this type of discussion because it typically never changes anything. Still, I'd like to drop a few basic points:
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I kind of react allergic to "I have nothing to hide" and "I don't see what they could possibly use the data for" because it typically stems from ignorance. Again, I really do not want to delve into this any deeper but there are truly staggering things you can currently do with data mining. This is not a subjective point. Data mining possibilities and costs are technical discussions and the answers are pretty clear. The question here is simply how much does Amazon (and the like) do. |
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03-22-2010, 08:29 PM | #36 |
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Nope, the question is what for?
All - by any means - crucial information Amazon might ever get to know about you are also known by the company behind your payment method, either your bank or the credit card company. Maybe even AT&T, if you use Whispernet. WHICH eBooks/authors do you buy. HOW OFTEN do you buy. HOW MUCH do you usually pay. That's data which might be pretty useful for targeting you as a customer. Ever wonder about all those flyers in the box when you order something tangible from Amazon? That's one of the roads your data goes. Anything else? Sorry, nope. That's neither naive nor ignorant. Walking through London with each and every of my steps being watched and recorded - now that would really make me nervous ... Okay, maybe if I buy a pilot's instruction manual for a Boeing 737 and enter a note "keep an eye on crosswinds when heading into the Empire State building", that indeed might cause some trouble, if someone at Amazon would take a look at it ... Last edited by K-Thom; 03-22-2010 at 08:33 PM. |
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(Indeed, it's been tried) What Amazon think is only a small part of the whole issue. Quite simply, if it's possible to use the data in a certain way and the agreement doesn't exclude that, then you do have to take into account that they are reserving the right to do so. And any collection of data on someone else's servers is subject to their control and privacy standards, and the ownership of that company and their privacy standards can change without the authorisation you have granted them to use that dataset for in the first place lapsing. "Why do you wish to know that" is a perfectly valid question. |
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03-22-2010, 08:54 PM | #38 | |
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I just remove the DRM on my books which lets me put up with the Kindle. As for privacy, the Internet and casual web browsing is more of a concern to me than Kindle. Privacy is very hard to come by at this point in time, and most people are busy freely giving away their right to privacy on tools like twitter and facebook. |
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• I do believe that the information Amazon has access to is basically unimportant. Very little of it is even worth anyone's effort to data mine, except for something like network reliability stats. • I do believe it is highly unlikely to be abused by government agencies (or at least, no more than having a paper book with notes in the margins, found during a search of your property). • I do believe almost all of us are making far more critical information available on a regular basis, especially via email, cell phones, and the like. • If you're going to be careful about this, you really ought to be careful about a heck of a lot of things, because let's face it, this is actually pretty minor and obscure. • I do NOT regard these type of privacy concerns as "tin foil hat" territory. I'm only expressing that I am not concerned by this particular circumstance, or similar ones (e.g. Gmail, online backup services etc). Quote:
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I'm not going to reveal my age because that's none of yer danged business but I'm not 16. There's a tremendous difference between Amazon syncing data on their servers, and the NSA hooking into AT&T's routers. If you don't want a Kindle because of privacy reasons, you have many options, and feel free to go for one (at the price of not getting wireless downloads, automatic backup of purchases and no multi-device syncs). But really, let's have a tad of perspective, and spare us the hyperbole. |
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Yes, the perspective is that the Amazon policy is drafted very broadly, and that Amazon would not do that by mistake. If you are concerned with these issues, don't get a Kindle. Simple enough.
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Think about it. What do they call those little tracking doodads that they sneak onto your computer - Cookies. And what do some people use tinfoil for baking - yes, it’s Cookies again. Coincidence? I think not..... The only way to use your KIndle or (brain) Kurdle as THEY call it - is to wear one of our fully organic head protectors - made from 100% natural cow-dung and adobe, using a recipe passed down for centuries by really cosmic old dead dudes from ancient times. Just remember - iPad is an anagram of Dipa - which means “brain-invader” in Ancient Dead Dude Language. It all adds up! Buy a brain screen hat now while stocks last. Coming soon to a paranoiac near you... Or you could just act as if it really doesn’t matter a damn if some computer somewhere is mindlessly crunching through billions of bytes of dross about which books people clicked on just so that they can send you an automated email saying: Greetings Zordan the Insignificant, People like you have been buying “101 Ancient Dung and Adobe Brain Hat Recipes” by Wise Dead Dude” - would you care to cough up for a copy? P.S. Our server loved your porn collection - it found a couple of clips it didn’t have yet. You have been warned. Personally, I'm relaxed about this.... But then I’m pretty strange. They know that, you know.... |
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When I buy items in a supermarket, I use my shopper's card for discounts, and all of my purchases are recorded and stored.
When I buy books at B&N or Borders, I use my member's card and all of my purchases are recorded and stored. When I use my library card, information about the books/audios/DVDs that I borrow are recorded and stored. If I buy books from Amazon and put them on a Kindle, they already know about those books. If I walk in any major city or into any public buildings, my image is rcorded on cameras. My cable system has a record of every TV show or movie I access. My ISP has a record of all the web sites I visit. Hotel bonus points cards ensure that all of my out-of-state visits are recorded. And that's not even considering all the information that can be gleaned from my credit card records. If I want to leave this country, I'm entered in databases. There's a record of every legitimate job I've had in Social Security's database. I have a cell phone, OnStar, and an EZ Pass device affixed to my windshield; I can be physically tracked six ways from Sunday. Privacy is just an illusion, and has been for decades. I began to give it up when I first got a Social Security card as a teenager, and definitely lost it when I got my first credit card. A complete image of me can be created just from my data spoor. It no longer is a bugaboo for me because I refuse to be worried or ashamed about anything I do. I'm not going to restrict my life over the worry that people will know more about me that I would like them to - they already do; when I'm dead and gone it's not going to matter anyway. Information stored about me can already be used against me, may already have been - who the hell knows? So if Amazon wants to know where I place a bookmark, have at it. That's not going to stop me from getting that device if I really want one. |
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