Kindle 11th Gen: Rumours, Speculation, and Discussion

[axal]

Originally Posted by J827372

I wonder what innovation people want to see that would be a significant improvement?

Note taking with a pen on a bigger screen, so it can be used more like a paper book. I think that would be a huge upgrade and the most useful one. Lot of people like to scribble or underline while they read, especially in textbooks.

[Luminose]

Originally Posted by axal

Note taking with a pen on a bigger screen, so it can be used more like a paper book. I think that would be a huge upgrade and the most useful one. Lot of people like to scribble or underline while they read, especially in textbooks.

Imagine the price though. I have a 10” Onyx Boox and they’re easily $500+. That said I’d replace it in a second for a Kindle brand. Onyx software is janky and poorly updated. I would love a 10” kindle Fire with an e-ink screen and stylus.

[Deskisamess]

Originally Posted by axal

Note taking with a pen on a bigger screen, so it can be used more like a paper book. I think that would be a huge upgrade and the most useful one. Lot of people like to scribble or underline while they read, especially in textbooks.

Even with an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil, most e-book apps don't allow for handwritten notes. The apps aren't designed that way. You have to invoke the keyboard and type any notes you want to make.

I can make handwritten notes in apps like Pages or Notability, because they are designed to be used that way. E-book apps are designed to "give" info, not absorb it.

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

Even with an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil, most e-book apps don't allow for handwritten notes. The apps aren't designed that way. You have to invoke the keyboard and type any notes you want to make.

I can make handwritten notes in apps like Pages or Notability, because they are designed to be used that way. E-book apps are designed to "give" info, not absorb it.

iPadOS 14 will support handwriting recognition in any text field, i.e. in any reading app that lets you type notes. It works well in the beta, should get even better. Of course you cannot draw diagrams etc. unless the app is ready to accept those.

[Deskisamess]

Originally Posted by tomsem

iPadOS 14 will support handwriting recognition in any text field, i.e. in any reading app that lets you type notes. It works well in the beta, should get even better. Of course you cannot draw diagrams etc. unless the app is ready to accept those.

So it converts it to typed text? Just like as if you typed it?

[crane3]

Originally Posted by tomsem

iPadOS 14 will support handwriting recognition in any text field, i.e. in any reading app that lets you type notes. It works well in the beta, should get even better. Of course you cannot draw diagrams etc. unless the app is ready to accept those.

Does the "handwriting" include 'script' handwriting or just 'printing'?

I don't believe that the 'handwriting' will recognize everyone's script handwriting; would love to see what came out with some names as written by people. The fingerprint recognition does not understand my fingerprint; but then DMV doesn't understand my thumbprint either.

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

So it converts it to typed text? Just like as if you typed it?

Yes: https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-preview/

It should also work with Logitech Crayon (for sure) and other ‘active’ capacitative styluses (I think).

[hobnail]

Who remembers that special way of writing you had to use on the Palm Pilot?

[Deskisamess]

Handwriting recognition isn't the same as handwritten notes that are wanted by some users. I've always took those requests to mean those users want to "write" their notes on the margins or blank spaces on the screen, and have them stay looking like a handwritten note.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by hobnail

Who remembers that special way of writing you had to use on the Palm Pilot?

Or the Apple Newton's totally rubbish handwriting recognition compared to later Palm.
The Newton was just over hyped. Steve made a mistake dumping it.

I have a Palm Z22. The recognition isn't bad and it's not hard to learn the stylised input gestures. It's gesture recognition rather than real handwriting recognition, which is still rubbish for script on anything. "Printed" letters are hard enough.

[axal]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

Even with an iPad Pro and an Apple Pencil, most e-book apps don't allow for handwritten notes. The apps aren't designed that way. You have to invoke the keyboard and type any notes you want to make.

I can make handwritten notes in apps like Pages or Notability, because they are designed to be used that way. E-book apps are designed to "give" info, not absorb it.

I understand limitations of today's technology but there will be progress eventually. It just seems natural to me that a reading device can also provide a writing option as a next big thing.

Color e-ink is possibly the best contender for the next big thing kindle will give us, but apart from having colorful covers I don't see a lot of benefit (it's still not good enough for comics). I doubt amazon will rush with that

Amazon is a big enough company to take these devices even furter, it's just a matter if they want to, or they will follow someone elses inovations. Or they will just give us usb-c and shut us up for next few years :P

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

Handwriting recognition isn't the same as handwritten notes that are wanted by some vutusers. I've always took those requests to mean those users want to "write" their notes on the margins or blank spaces on the screen, and have them stay looking like a handwritten note.

I would use it like that, and my wish goes in that direction. But everyone uses device differently and handwriting recognition has a lot of benefits. But all in good time

[Gandulf]

So nobody knows anything till the new models are on the shelves? Are they that good at keeping things secret?

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by Gandulf

So nobody knows anything till the new models are on the shelves? Are they that good at keeping things secret?

It's always possible there's just nothing out there to find.

[JSWolf]

The 11th Gen Kindle is going to have a new feature. EOLed one year after release.

[Mnementh]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The 11th Gen Kindle is going to have a new feature. EOLed one year after release.

For heavens sake give it a rest already.