AmazonSmile Help: 2G and 3G E-Reader Network Support FAQ

Jo69 · 08-19-2021, 02:55 AM

I live in the UK
Will this affect my downloading EBooks to my 2nd generation Kindle soon by usb so I can convert?

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/cus...H6AASHTERXBKNV

JSWolf · 08-19-2021, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo69

I live in the UK
Will this affect my downloading EBooks to my 2nd generation Kindle soon by usb so I can convert?

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/cus...H6AASHTERXBKNV

Why are you lining to Amazon US when you live in the UK. That has nothing to do with you unless it's from Amazon UK.

Quoth · 08-19-2021, 07:00 AM

It's got nothing to do with USB use. We always select "Download to PC and copy via USB" option with Amazon and never use 3G (One Kindle has 2G/3G and no WiFi).

But also it's the USA and UK isn't affected anyway.

Jo69 · 08-19-2021, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why are you lining to Amazon US when you live in the UK. That has nothing to do with you unless it's from Amazon UK.

A friend sent me the link as she needed advice and I really wasn't sure if it applied to UK too

Jo69 · 08-19-2021, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Quoth

It's got nothing to do with USB use. We always select "Download to PC and copy via USB" option with Amazon and never use 3G (One Kindle has 2G/3G and no WiFi).

But also it's the USA and UK isn't affected anyway.

Thanks for the info

These forums are great for help.

DNSB · 08-19-2021, 12:00 PM

For what it's worth, the UK is going to be dropping 2G and 3G support over the next few years though there seems to be little agreement about when. You might also check the Telecoms Diversification Taskforce: findings and report. One oddity is that it seems that 2G may be supported longer than 3G since quite a few embedded devices are still using 2G.

Quoth · 08-19-2021, 03:09 PM

The true GSM 2G is far more reliable than 3G which due to USA lobbying (Qualcomm mostly) was based on the inferior USA 2G CDMA-1.
No cell breathing and if you only need lower data rates for meter reading, traffic light status and home alarms etc then the range and spectrum efficiency is good too. It uses only 0.2 MHz channels vs the 5 MHz for 3G/HSPA etc. Though originally it was only 14.4K bps or 28.8 k bps (using 2 channels), it can now do about 240 k on many masts, though a better signal is needed. Whereas 3G has severe cell breathing and management issues. The 4G can run in 5MHz, 10 MHz or 20 MHz channels. The 5G is mostly about telco paid access instead of WiFi at hotspots and line-of-sight on higher bands for stadiums, race courses etc.

But anyway even for Cell/Mobile only Kindles the only issue is Time/Date setting if the battery is flat. A jail break and USB network connection allows that to be set. The ebooks bought from Amazon can be Sideloaded / USB. The batteries are available and easy to replace on the old models.

However even a Kobo Libra is only about the price of ten non-discount paper books in a local shop and even if the Kindle is dead the serial number works to remove DRM so you can read your old ebooks on a new ereader.

Jo69 · 08-20-2021, 03:00 AM

Thanks for more info
It is mainly still being able to download and then convert my books I will still hope to do in the future.

DNSB · 08-20-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo69

Thanks for more info
It is mainly still being able to download and then convert my books I will still hope to do in the future.

Generally, it's easier to download your books using either the download and transfer via USB or using K4PC/K4Mac to get them on your computer. For those purposes, 2G/3G/4G/5G support by a Kindle ereader is pretty much irrelevant.

Jo69 · 08-21-2021, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

Generally, it's easier to download your books using either the download and transfer via USB or using K4PC/K4Mac to get them on your computer. For those purposes, 2G/3G/4G/5G support by a Kindle ereader is pretty much irrelevant.

Hi David
Thats what I really wanted to know.
I use download and transfer via USB to get my books and was trying to understand if any eventual changes to would affect still using my kindle 2nd generation.
Just wondered if my kindle would still show on Amazon then if its eventually not supported?

08-19-2021, 02:55 AM	#1
Jo69 Addict Posts: 204 Karma: 2070566 Join Date: Oct 2016 Device: Kobo. Samsung Galaxy Tab. Kindle 4 2011	AmazonSmile Help: 2G and 3G E-Reader Network Support FAQ I live in the UK Will this affect my downloading EBooks to my 2nd generation Kindle soon by usb so I can convert? https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/cus...H6AASHTERXBKNV

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08-19-2021, 07:00 AM	#3
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,222 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	It's got nothing to do with USB use. We always select "Download to PC and copy via USB" option with Amazon and never use 3G (One Kindle has 2G/3G and no WiFi). But also it's the USA and UK isn't affected anyway.

08-19-2021, 12:00 PM	#6
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 35,703 Karma: 145624992 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Forma, Clara HD, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	For what it's worth, the UK is going to be dropping 2G and 3G support over the next few years though there seems to be little agreement about when. You might also check the Telecoms Diversification Taskforce: findings and report. One oddity is that it seems that 2G may be supported longer than 3G since quite a few embedded devices are still using 2G.

08-19-2021, 03:09 PM	#7
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,222 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	The true GSM 2G is far more reliable than 3G which due to USA lobbying (Qualcomm mostly) was based on the inferior USA 2G CDMA-1. No cell breathing and if you only need lower data rates for meter reading, traffic light status and home alarms etc then the range and spectrum efficiency is good too. It uses only 0.2 MHz channels vs the 5 MHz for 3G/HSPA etc. Though originally it was only 14.4K bps or 28.8 k bps (using 2 channels), it can now do about 240 k on many masts, though a better signal is needed. Whereas 3G has severe cell breathing and management issues. The 4G can run in 5MHz, 10 MHz or 20 MHz channels. The 5G is mostly about telco paid access instead of WiFi at hotspots and line-of-sight on higher bands for stadiums, race courses etc. But anyway even for Cell/Mobile only Kindles the only issue is Time/Date setting if the battery is flat. A jail break and USB network connection allows that to be set. The ebooks bought from Amazon can be Sideloaded / USB. The batteries are available and easy to replace on the old models. However even a Kobo Libra is only about the price of ten non-discount paper books in a local shop and even if the Kindle is dead the serial number works to remove DRM so you can read your old ebooks on a new ereader.

08-20-2021, 03:00 AM	#8
Jo69 Addict Posts: 204 Karma: 2070566 Join Date: Oct 2016 Device: Kobo. Samsung Galaxy Tab. Kindle 4 2011	Thanks for more info It is mainly still being able to download and then convert my books I will still hope to do in the future.

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