Footnotes in MS DOCX as Output Format

ukie · 04-09-2016, 10:13 PM

Converting from AZW3 or EPUB to DOCX, the footnotes are created as hyperlinks. Is there a way to preserve the footnotes as real DOCX footnotes in converting a book to DOCX?

kovidgoyal · 04-09-2016, 11:05 PM

No, there isn't. Footnotes are not clearly identified as such in ebook formats (well with the exception of epub 3, but those are a vanishingly small fraction of books).

ukie · 04-10-2016, 12:29 AM

kovidgoyal, perhaps there is a macro of sorts to convert hyperlinks into footnotes?

kovidgoyal · 04-10-2016, 12:33 AM

Dunno, I'm not a user of Word so I'm not familiar with its macro system.

BetterRed · 04-10-2016, 12:43 AM

@ukie - if by hyperlinks you mean links to endnotes then no macro is needed, its built into Word ==>> Convert footnotes to endnotes and vice versa

BR

ukie · 06-30-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed

@ukie - if by hyperlinks you mean links to endnotes then no macro is needed, its built into Word ==>> Convert footnotes to endnotes and vice versa

BR

Thank you BetterRed, but I was looking for a way to convert hyperlinked footnotes from ePUB to real Microsoft Word footnotes.

BetterRed · 06-30-2016, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ukie

Thank you BetterRed, but I was looking for a way to convert hyperlinked footnotes from ePUB to real Microsoft Word footnotes.

@ukie - sorry for the false assumption, most questions relate to converting Word to ePub

Did you try Toxaris's e-Book Tools - a Word add-in It has an EPUB to Word feature, I don't use it myself.

Given ePub2 doesn't really have pages there are footers, hence no footnotes in the normal sense of the word. I would expect ePub 'notes' to convert to MS-Word endnotes. My earlier link tells you how to convert end-notes to footnotes.

BR

ukie · 07-02-2016, 01:34 AM

BetterRed,
Thank you for the hint.
The plug-in does a splendid job matching the look and feel of the original ePUB file (better than even calibre), unfortunately the footnotes do not transfer over.
I can't see why it's such a difficult job to implement. It is not like doing OCR and trying to figure out which number goes to what footnote. Most standard ePUB books already have the hyperlinks so just going one by one and converting them into Word footnotes should do the job.
The only slight difficulty that I could think of is determining when the footnote text ends, but even this should not be so hard to get around.

BetterRed · 07-02-2016, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukie

BetterRed,
Thank you for the hint.
The plug-in does a splendid job matching the look and feel of the original ePUB file (better than even calibre), unfortunately the footnotes do not transfer over.

@ukie - I suggest you take the matter up in the e-Book Tools thread. The author, Toxaris, is always willing to look into issues and make changes where he can.

BR

Toxaris · 07-02-2016, 12:49 PM

It is very difficult to do, due to various reasons. Biggest reason is that there is no way to tell if it is just an internal link or a note. Like Kovid said, there is no semantic option to identify them.
I am looking for a manual procedure though, but that will take some time to do it right.

Toxaris · 07-02-2016, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukie

The only slight difficulty that I could think of is determining when the footnote text ends, but even this should not be so hard to get around.

Well, that is another tough cookie. It is simple to do manually for a human, but hard for a machine.

BetterRed · 07-02-2016, 11:11 PM

might this help ?

ePub3 spec includes semantic tags for footnotes and rearnotes, Sigil has them in its ePub3 book browser set semantics context menu flyout.

BR

Toxaris · 07-03-2016, 02:14 AM

If, and only if, the semantics for notes are used in epub3 it could be used. But there are limited epub3 books and the use of the semantics is not forced. On another note, import of epub3 into word is not yet supported with the add-in.

ukie · 07-14-2017, 01:35 AM

Looks like calibre 3 has made a huge leap with docx conversion!

Footnotes now work as hyperlinks!

I do have one problem though.
I have two books. Both covered from AZW3 to DOCX, and both have hyperlinked endnotes.
In Word 2016, the hyperlinked endnotes work fine for both books.
However, when importing the DOCX file into Logos 7, the hyperlinks are broken with one of the books, but work fine with the other.

I noticed that the hyperlinks are linked to word bookmarks...?
The problem seems to be associated with the naming of the bookmarks.
The book which has working hyperlinks in Logos is the one that has bookmarks composed of all digits, or at least starts with a digit (e.g. "11_9" however, Office Word does not allow bookmarks that start with a digit...). The other book has bookmarks which starts with a letter and combines letters and digits in the name (e.g. "pich02_fn2").
Although, I am not sure if this is the real issue.

Would it be possible to add a feature to caliber that converts all internal bookmarks/hyperlinks names to a consistent numbering system (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4 .... 114332)?

ukie · 07-20-2017, 01:44 PM

Also, is there a way to force all images to be placed or aligned "in-line"?

04-09-2016, 10:13 PM	#1
ukie Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2016 Device: iPhone	Footnotes in MS DOCX as Output Format Converting from AZW3 or EPUB to DOCX, the footnotes are created as hyperlinks. Is there a way to preserve the footnotes as real DOCX footnotes in converting a book to DOCX?

07-02-2016, 01:34 AM	#8
ukie Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2016 Device: iPhone	BetterRed, Thank you for the hint. The plug-in does a splendid job matching the look and feel of the original ePUB file (better than even calibre), unfortunately the footnotes do not transfer over. I can't see why it's such a difficult job to implement. It is not like doing OCR and trying to figure out which number goes to what footnote. Most standard ePUB books already have the hyperlinks so just going one by one and converting them into Word footnotes should do the job. The only slight difficulty that I could think of is determining when the footnote text ends, but even this should not be so hard to get around. Last edited by ukie; 07-02-2016 at 01:36 AM.

07-14-2017, 01:35 AM	#14
ukie Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2016 Device: iPhone	Looks like calibre 3 has made a huge leap with docx conversion! Footnotes now work as hyperlinks! I do have one problem though. I have two books. Both covered from AZW3 to DOCX, and both have hyperlinked endnotes. In Word 2016, the hyperlinked endnotes work fine for both books. However, when importing the DOCX file into Logos 7, the hyperlinks are broken with one of the books, but work fine with the other. I noticed that the hyperlinks are linked to word bookmarks...? The problem seems to be associated with the naming of the bookmarks. The book which has working hyperlinks in Logos is the one that has bookmarks composed of all digits, or at least starts with a digit (e.g. "11_9" however, Office Word does not allow bookmarks that start with a digit...). The other book has bookmarks which starts with a letter and combines letters and digits in the name (e.g. "pich02_fn2"). Although, I am not sure if this is the real issue. Would it be possible to add a feature to caliber that converts all internal bookmarks/hyperlinks names to a consistent numbering system (i.e. 1, 2, 3, 4 .... 114332)? Last edited by ukie; 07-18-2017 at 03:21 PM.

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04-09-2016, 11:05 PM	#2
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,859 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	No, there isn't. Footnotes are not clearly identified as such in ebook formats (well with the exception of epub 3, but those are a vanishingly small fraction of books).

04-10-2016, 12:29 AM	#3
ukie Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2016 Device: iPhone	kovidgoyal, perhaps there is a macro of sorts to convert hyperlinks into footnotes?

04-10-2016, 12:33 AM	#4
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,859 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Dunno, I'm not a user of Word so I'm not familiar with its macro system.

04-10-2016, 12:43 AM	#5
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,572 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	@ukie - if by hyperlinks you mean links to endnotes then no macro is needed, its built into Word ==>> Convert footnotes to endnotes and vice versa BR

07-02-2016, 12:49 PM	#10
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	It is very difficult to do, due to various reasons. Biggest reason is that there is no way to tell if it is just an internal link or a note. Like Kovid said, there is no semantic option to identify them. I am looking for a manual procedure though, but that will take some time to do it right.

07-02-2016, 11:11 PM	#12
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,572 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	might this help ? ePub3 spec includes semantic tags for footnotes and rearnotes, Sigil has them in its ePub3 book browser set semantics context menu flyout. BR

07-03-2016, 02:14 AM	#13
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	If, and only if, the semantics for notes are used in epub3 it could be used. But there are limited epub3 books and the use of the semantics is not forced. On another note, import of epub3 into word is not yet supported with the add-in.

07-20-2017, 01:44 PM	#15
ukie Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2016 Device: iPhone	Also, is there a way to force all images to be placed or aligned "in-line"?

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