12-13-2007, 08:06 PM | #106 |
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My Kindle isn't recognized by Windows MobiPocket Reader, but the fact that some Kindle's (only the 1st shipment?) do broadcast their PIDs suggest that Amazon isn't carefully guarding the PID.
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12-13-2007, 08:26 PM | #107 | |
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My best guess is that Amazon was using the Mobipocket software to support the Kindle during testing. They probably added it in a 5.something upgrade, and didn't think to remove it until after I announced that it was recognized. I recently upgraded to 6.1 build 592, and the Kindle is still recognized. I am not going to test it by deleting the entry. |
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12-13-2007, 08:44 PM | #108 |
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I'm running 6.0 build 580. Here's what the properties dialog looks like in Reader.
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12-13-2007, 08:45 PM | #109 |
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Update
I decided to test this, and installed Mobipocket Reader (6.1 build 592) on a different computer. It did not recognize my Kindle. My laptop still does.
I think we need to start looking for older installation files for MobiReader. At some point, they recognized the Kindle. |
12-13-2007, 09:15 PM | #110 | |
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12-13-2007, 09:34 PM | #111 | |
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Does this mean that if I buy a DVD, Blu-ray, or HD-DVD disk, that it's illegal for me to rip a copy as an avi and keep it on my hard drive for my personal use? I'm pretty sure that that's precisely the sort of behavior covered under the "fair use" defense. And if THAT is legal, why can't I re-burn the movie to a disk to watch in a different kind of player, which I also own? --- However, I'm still not sure that the mobi->azw example is actually illegal as you say. The reason is twofold:
Unfortunately, it appears that there is one more facet to this, which is that in order for the Kindle to read it, the mobi file must also list Amazon as the publisher. Can someone (igor?) tell me: if you simply download a mobi book from a Mobipocket bookseller, with the Kindle device # included, then do the following things work?
And, mrkai, I'd like to be sure I understand you: is it your position that this technique is against the Kindle TOS and probably illegal, but that you don't actually think it's wrong or immoral? |
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12-13-2007, 11:05 PM | #112 | |
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I don't think that Amazon would claim that it is their right to restrict competition and something that their DRM is designed to enforce. |
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12-14-2007, 12:56 AM | #113 | |
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Amazon's business and the publisher's business interests are not the same. Amazon is a middleman. People like to think in terms of "amazon sells a Kindle = Profit" but the business model here is one of closed vertical integration. Amazon isn't just a "white box" reseller in this regard and hopes to make its money on volumes of book sales. They cannot have the Kindle Store be a force to be recokoned with if some other retailer is cutting into the Kindle Store revenues. Its a well understood model. |
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12-14-2007, 01:00 AM | #114 | |
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You are oversimplifying the
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It is Amazon's right, and in their business model certainly in their best interest, to constrain competitor bookseller's from "their" platform. Think of the Kindle as a Macintosh. Its a market of vertical integration, "enforced" with a rights management scheme ("a different door") as opposed to a more commodity hardware horizontal model ("many paths to the same door") |
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12-14-2007, 01:03 AM | #115 |
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They are the same as much as
SCEA and Sony Pictures Entertainment are the same
I look at Amazon's ownership of mobi as 1. built in R&D savings and 2. monopoly protection should they achieve their business goals. They operate as separate business, separate pricing structures, executive teams, etc. |
12-14-2007, 01:04 AM | #116 |
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I don't think
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12-14-2007, 01:06 AM | #117 | |
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12-14-2007, 03:15 AM | #118 | |
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Kindle doesn't check the publisher. It checks the "CustomDRM" flag which must be set in the drm record for Kindle's PID. That's what my second script fixes. |
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12-14-2007, 10:38 AM | #119 | |
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Another question, then: after setting the "CustomDRM" flag, can other mobi readers still read the file? Or is it Kindle="CustomDRM On", Non-Kindle="CustomDRM Off"? |
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12-14-2007, 12:38 PM | #120 |
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Only Kindle's PID record is affected. All other PIDs are not touched, so they work (or don't work) as before.
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