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Old 12-13-2007, 10:54 AM   #61
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I don't understand what is all the fuss about.

It is absolutely not forbidden to put elsewhere bought content on the kindle, right?

It is perfectly legal and in accordance to the TOS to load bought content on the kindle. What is the difference if it is DRMed or not?

The power of the tool that I see is that kindle owners can now at last unDRM and backup their bought AZW files for the distant future when kindle maybe won't be around anymore.
No no kgian...this is DIFFERENT than all of the other discussions about using content from one device to the other because it is "essentially" the same thing and you "paid" for it and because of a technical bit of jiggery-pokery you can use the content on a device it isn't authorized for (check mobi's site for authorized clients and readers or Fictionwise's note on the matter) because "no one is getting hurt" with ths particular tool

Its TOTALLY DIFFERENT
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:55 AM   #62
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I don't understand what is all the fuss about.

It is absolutely not forbidden to put elsewhere bought content on the kindle, right?

It is perfectly legal and in accordance to the TOS to load bought content on the kindle. What is the difference if it is DRMed or not?

The power of the tool that I see is that kindle owners can now at last unDRM and backup their bought AZW files for the distant future when kindle maybe won't be around anymore.
You've make a slight error in what you say. The tool does not remove the DRM. It just figures out the PID for the Kindle so you can order Mobi format ebooks and then it changes the supplier ID so it can be read on the Kindle.

Now, what I want to know is if it is that easy to do this so the mobi format ebooks can be read on the Kindle, why cannot a tool be made to change the awz ebooks so they can be read on other devices with Mobipocket?
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Old 12-13-2007, 10:56 AM   #63
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That's because I refuse to debate the issue with you while you are being obnoxious.
...in this whole line of thinking I'm being obnoxious?

I think "smug" is probably more apropos. I'll cop to that.
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:01 AM   #64
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Now, what I want to know is if it is that easy to do this so the mobi format ebooks can be read on the Kindle, why cannot a tool be made to change the awz ebooks so they can be read on other devices with Mobipocket?
buy books from the Kindle store without a Kindle anyway, this isn't as desirable, is it? You'd also have to get these things to accept the Kindle PID...which I belive the Mobipocket desktop software will?
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:06 AM   #65
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Now, what I want to know is if it is that easy to do this so the mobi format ebooks can be read on the Kindle, why cannot a tool be made to change the awz ebooks so they can be read on other devices with Mobipocket?
Oh, it's possible all right. But that's a bit different since you're adding more devices to the book which is supposed to be read only on one.

P.S. mrkai, I rather enjoy your performance , but would you please stop putting part of the message into the subject line? It makes following your messages a bit harder.

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Old 12-13-2007, 11:10 AM   #66
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You sure Igor? Or by devices to do mean "not Kindles".

I'm pretty sure you can link more than one Kindle device to a purchase.
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:12 AM   #67
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Yep, I meant "not Kindles".
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:13 AM   #68
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I don't understand what is all the fuss about.

It is absolutely not forbidden to put elsewhere bought content on the kindle, right?

It is perfectly legal and in accordance to the TOS to load bought content on the kindle. What is the difference if it is DRMed or not?

The power of the tool that I see is that kindle owners can now at last unDRM and backup their bought AZW files for the distant future when kindle maybe won't be around anymore.
You've make a slight error in what you say. The tool does not remove the DRM. It just figures out the PID for the Kindle so you can order Mobi format ebooks and then it changes the supplier ID so it can be read on the Kindle.

Now, what I want to know is if it is that easy to do this so the mobi format ebooks can be read on the Kindle, why cannot a tool be made to change the awz ebooks so they can be read on other devices with Mobipocket?
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:34 AM   #69
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Now, what I want to know is if it is that easy to do this so the mobi format ebooks can be read on the Kindle, why cannot a tool be made to change the awz ebooks so they can be read on other devices with Mobipocket?
Because the book needs to be encoded for the PID of the MobiPocket device; that encoding is done by the download server, which in the case of Kindle books in Amazon's server.

Whereas a MobiPocket download server all you to type in the PIDs of up to 4 reading devices, and will encode the book so it can be read on any of those devices, Amazon's download server provides no mechanism for manually entering the PIDs of other devices.

Thus, one can encode a book purchased from a Mobi store so it can be read on a Kindle (with a bit of tweaking), but one cannot, and probably will never be able to, encode a Kindle book so it can be read on other MobiPocket devices.
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Thus, one can encode a book purchased from a Mobi store so it can be read on a Kindle (with a bit of tweaking), but one cannot, and probably will never be able to, encode a Kindle book so it can be read on other MobiPocket devices.
Actually that's very easy
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I meant legally, igorsk; not using Andreas' dodgy tool for it!
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:46 AM   #72
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I didn't mean removing DRM altogether, I meant actually adding a second PID so that another device can read Kindle's file.
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How can that be done? Using legal tools, obviously!
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Old 12-13-2007, 11:55 AM   #74
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Well, you didn't mention anything about "legal" in your original question. Let me repaste it.
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Thus, one can encode a book purchased from a Mobi store so it can be read on a Kindle (with a bit of tweaking), but one cannot, and probably will never be able to, encode a Kindle book so it can be read on other MobiPocket devices.
Italic was the part I was replying to
So yes, with a little modification you can make a tool to add extra PIDs to a Mobi file (which AZW is) without actually decrypting the content and read it on your PC or other devices. You decide whether it's legal or not... I guess it depends also on your country of residence
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