09-19-2018, 07:50 AM | #31 |
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Different cultures have different morals. In many, if not most cultures, bribery is expected. When my sister adopted her kids, she was given a list of what to give each official in the chain. If I recall correctly, the judge in the case was given a silver tea set. This was in one of the former Soviet states. I can point to similar situations in Latin America, Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Eastern Europe told to me by people who do business there.
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09-19-2018, 07:41 PM | #32 |
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People in other cultures tend to know more about that of the United States than vice-versa. So if an Amazon worker, in a high-corruption country, is caught in quid pro quo bribe-taking, I'm sure they won't expect the company to be OK with it.
China is undergoing a big public anti-corruption campaign with draconian punishments given government officials when the alleged total bribe-taking amount is extremely large. No one is going to executed for business-to-business corruption like the topic of this thread, but perpetrators surely know it is against both national and international rules. It might even be that in China the merchandisers are more likely to complain about a bribe solicitation than in some other Amazon markets, due to the national anti-corruption campaign. I wouldn't conclude, from the OP article, that amazon.cn reviews are worse than amazon.com. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 09-19-2018 at 07:44 PM. |
09-19-2018, 07:54 PM | #33 |
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As a point of clarification (slightly 2nd hand since it is from a quote of the WSJ in another article -- WSJ original article behind a pay wall): the article explicitly said that some of these employees were U.S. employees. So it's not all employees from China or other less developed countries.
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09-19-2018, 10:09 PM | #34 |
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I think what they're doing is more important than why they are doing it. It reinforces my decision to avoid buying Chinese items on Amazon's Marketplace.
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There's a big difference in those two conclusions above. The researchers don't mention that 99.99% of the people who heard them say, "Would you like to participate..." immediately hung up on them because they had the intelligence to not waste their time on a ridiculous survey with leading questions and a predetermined result. Surveys always reflect the thinking of the dumbest of the dumb. Not a result I'd want to base anything important on. |
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09-20-2018, 07:22 AM | #36 | |
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09-20-2018, 08:10 AM | #37 | |
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I think it's also only fair to ask: were Amazon employees led to believe the job would pay more, have more benefits, and have more security before they accepted the position? Or did they have all the info and accept anyway? Last edited by DiapDealer; 09-20-2018 at 08:14 AM. |
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09-20-2018, 10:55 AM | #38 | |
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09-20-2018, 11:17 AM | #39 | |
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Nope and nope. Now it's time for you to answer my question about whether or not potential employees know the score before accepting a position with Amazon. |
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09-20-2018, 02:13 PM | #40 |
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I learned my work ethics from my father. Your job is what ever your boss tells you to do, even if it isn't in your job description. If you disagree or don't like it you can always quit and get another job.
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I think the real question is do employees who accept Amazon's employment terms have an option, other than starving and homelessness? If that is the only employment available, then it is not a choice. Perhaps some people prefer to work minimum-wage, no benefit, zero-hour contract jobs (that last one doesn't apply to you). There are also people who enjoy pain. They are called masochists.
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It is my contention that while people who feel the way you do may actually tend to do so out of what they believe to be concern their "fellow man;" they're typically people who've been payed far too much, for far too long (for doing far too little) to be able to relate to sweat-of-their-brow-and-proud-of-it type folk. They're a bit out of touch with what "working for a living" actually means to many. Part of the disconnect is that we're not likely to hear from the people who are perfectly content with their Amazon jobs (of which I'm sure there are many--white- and blue-collar). Because that's not newsworthy at all. Quote:
But we've derailed this thread enough with our differences of opinion. I propose we stop. But you're welcome to continue this conversation with yourself if you like. Last edited by DiapDealer; 09-24-2018 at 01:16 PM. |
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Certainly, educated and skilled workers will have more choices in employment available the them than unskilled/uneducated workers. And workers that have amassed savings will have an easier time getting through a period of unemployment than will a poor worker with no savings. These things are obvious, and 100% expected to occur. |
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09-25-2018, 08:06 PM | #44 | |
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I'm not too worried about what Amazon pays. There are hard jobs, and really hard jobs, and you have to know going in that you've agreed to work the hour for the wage. A lot of my extended family has worked production lines on and off, and none are a picnic. So far, the worst I've heard is meat packing. That will mess you up pretty bad, arms and joints and the workers come and go constantly because of wear and tear of throwing huge chunks of meat around to get cut down and wrapped. I hear the chicken line at Perdue is hell on earth. But I rarely hear anyone campaign against buying meat anywhere because those workers aren't getting high wages. For Amazon, I've only heard good things. A distantly related couple I knew lived the RV life, and would work at Amazon from October to December when they got busy. They then could take that money and head south in January and it supplemented their savings until the next October. Last I heard, they went back every year for quite a few years. I think they may have retired from it now. There were always people on the list to work that season. https://roadslesstraveled.us/rv-work...n-camperforce/ So, I take the Amazon horror stories with a grain of salt. If they were bad enough, no one would work there. But they do. They're rarely the only jobs in town. |
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I think that settles it. |
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