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Old 06-30-2022, 09:11 PM   #91
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I didn't even notice any apps on the new Samsung. You'd have to go looking for them and they do nothing without internet connection. The GUI is better layout and size of text. You can put short cuts on the home bar. I don't think it has Apple TV. But no streaming app or other app appears by default on the menu.

Maybe it varies by country? Your Samsung description is like every Android and Fire TV I've seen in Ireland.
I've added an attachment showing my home screen. The row on the bottom is a list of installed apps that I have chosen to display. The row above is a sample of programs available on the selected app.

This is the upstairs, slightly older TV. It lets me remove anything from the home row I chose. The newer TV downstairs looks the same, but has Apple TV and Vudu on the home row and I cannot remove them or move them.

Oh, and enjoy the Bob Ross vibes. The Bob Ross Channel is my favorite 'wallpaper TV'.
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Old 07-01-2022, 06:44 AM   #92
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I've added an attachment showing my home screen. The row on the bottom is a list of installed apps that I have chosen to display. The row above is a sample of programs available on the selected app.
Obviously it varies by model or country. We have none of that!

I can't try to take a photo because a VIP is watching tennis.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:46 AM   #93
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I can't try to take a photo because a VIP is watching tennis.
That was why I couldn't take one of the downstairs TV with the unremovable apps
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Old 07-16-2022, 03:08 AM   #94
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I'm not seeing much of a price difference (if any). Not when it comes to bargain shopping anyway. Comparing list prices, smart tvs may cost fractionally more. But I've found many a smart tv (with all the non-smart features I was looking for) on sale for less than a comparable (size, resolution, screen-technology) "dumb" tv. *shrug*

If had to pay more for a smart tv, I'd avoid them for many of the exact same reasons you mention, though.
I 'caved' and got a 50" Fire TV: $259. It's less than what I paid for our 42" LG Plasma TV (720p) maybe 8 years ago, after it had already been discontinued. The only 50" dumb panels I could find were $399 or so and I doubt the quality is any better than Amazon's: they probably don't mind breaking even on Fire TV as they have every reason to believe they will make money selling content and streaming subscriptions. Same is not true of dumb TV makers.

At this point I'm just planning to plug in our Apple TV 4K, BluRay, and vintage Wii and not connect the Fire TV itself to the internet. It supports HDMI-CEC on one of the ports so if Apple TV is connected to that we should just be able to use its remote for everything but the rare case where we Wii or watch a disc. We currently just use a HomePod pair (the big ones) for sound, with the TV speakers disabled. We also have an old 5.1 system that we can turn on if need be but I'd like to do away with it and get rid of the bulky cabinet our current TV sits on, and hang this new one with a wall bracket and something smaller to put the BluRay and Wii inside of and set the HomePods on. Our living room is not that big.

We used Fire TV box when it first came out and for several years, but I switched to Apple TV about 4 years ago and it works much better with all my other iThings.

Looking forward to finally having a 4K panel for the 4K content.

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Old 07-16-2022, 06:46 AM   #95
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I 'caved' and got a 50" Fire TV: $259. ...
Taking this out of context, that is one big streaming device:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N32NCPM



You would think Amazon could plan a little better with product naming.
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The smartest TV ever: Any TV you like + any cheap/old computer that is powerful enough to stream YouTube/Netflix/your preferred streaming services + wireless mouse & keyboard.

Always easy to use. No annoying apps with badly designed interfaces and unpredictable updates. No having to painstakingly type out searches letter by letter with some sort of controller.

I'm deep in the Apple ecosystem, and I use a Mac mini for this purpose, but I would never want to replace it with an Apple TV.
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Old 07-16-2022, 05:18 PM   #97
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The smartest TV ever: Any TV you like + any cheap/old computer that is powerful enough to stream YouTube/Netflix/your preferred streaming services + wireless mouse & keyboard.

Always easy to use. No annoying apps with badly designed interfaces and unpredictable updates. No having to painstakingly type out searches letter by letter with some sort of controller.

I'm deep in the Apple ecosystem, and I use a Mac mini for this purpose, but I would never want to replace it with an Apple TV.
A cheap/old computer won't be good enough. You may need a computer capable of streaming 4k/HDR (Dolby Vision, HDR10, HLG, HDR10+). If it cannot do this, the computer is not good enough. Thing is, the Amazon Firestick 4k or 4k MAX can do all of this. It uses less electricity and can stream most of what you'd want to stream.
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A cheap/old computer won't be good enough. You may need a computer capable of streaming 4k/HDR (Dolby Vision, HDR10, HLG, HDR10+). If it cannot do this, the computer is not good enough. Thing is, the Amazon Firestick 4k or 4k MAX can do all of this. It uses less electricity and can stream most of what you'd want to stream.
Yes, you are right that different people have different priorities, and I guess the real priority to me is ease of input. I'm used to watching YouTube on my TV (where you'd need to type or click every ten minutes or so) and I know I wouldn't even bother with it if I had to do it on the app on the TV itself. I change what I watch and from what source pretty often and linear TV isn't a thing in my world either. Doing all this from a computer desktop while still getting the big screen/couch experience can't be beat now that I'm used to it.

My eyes are not good enough for me to really feel a huge difference between 4K (which I would get from my TV's native apps) and non-4K, and I don't know what half of those acronyms mean, so my view is from a very different perspective.
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The Amazon Firestick 4k or 4k MAX can do all of this. It uses less electricity and can stream most of what you'd want to stream.
Does it have to be registered to work?
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