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Dutch BooXtream watermark cracked
Source at Tweakers.net
Below is a Google Translate version of the article. While it's not perfect, it can be understood. Unfortunately, it takes me too much time right now to fully translate the post by hand. Quote:
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This is exactly how activists get a bad name.
Criminals don't have a right to privacy from the authorities, and watermarks don't violate your privacy unless you upload them to the public in a criminal act. |
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In my mind, this is similar to when the Tor author pointed his readers to Alf's tools when he found out that some stores were still selling his books with DRM. (Sorry, I can't remember the author's name right now) The only difference is that the Tor author didn't have to crack the DRM himself. Shari |
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Only if the book is not encrypted. If this book was not encrypted, then the DRM was, IMHO, not really 'cracked'; the watermarks have just all been found and removed. If so, it could have been done by hand.
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I don't see any mention of encryption on the BooXtream website http://www.booxtream.com Shari Last edited by shalym; 06-27-2016 at 08:57 AM. |
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If it doesn't use encryption, it doesn't need to be cracked. In that case, it's just removal of the watermark in all the different locations and hoping you caught them all. Quote:
If I should ever lose my e-reader or it gets stolen, which is a distinct possibility as I carry it in public transport each day, I'm in danger of being prosecuted, if the person who finds the device upploads the content to a sharing site. If done right (encrtypted connection, VPN...), then it's impossible to tell if I, or somebody else uploaded that content, but because my details are in there, it's me who'll probably get into trouble. Last edited by Katsunami; 06-27-2016 at 09:32 AM. |
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And if against all odds the Swartz estate was actually the rights holder, and thus had the right to open their mouth on the subject, then they should have left that publisher and found one which was more amenable to their desires. I call bullshit. They wanted to release watermark-removing tools, and they found a handy excuse. Quote:
Tor was okay with that, because they didn't want the DRM encryption in the first place. It is the most incomparable comparison I can think of. (Although actually it could be worse, I could compare that situation to a banana. But that's cheating.) ... Additionally, DRM encryption infringes on the user's rights. Watermarking does not. ... ... Next thing you know, they will be filing the serial number off of, well, everything that has one. Last edited by eschwartz; 06-27-2016 at 11:00 AM. |
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Watermarking is (without any shadow of a doubt) a form of digital rights management. Perhaps you meant that encryption infringes on a user's rights? Even that I'm not sure I agree with. You may wish to buy a book from one store and then use it on a different device, but is it a "right" to do so?
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Of course, having a legal system, however flawed, is better than not having one at all. ... The watermarking evidence is just that, evidence. It is not the only way a person can end up with evidence incorrectly pointing to their guilt in a crime. And like any crime, you will get your day in court. I really despise the double standard and special privileges expected by people when it comes to digital anything. Regardless of which side they are on. |
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And I could argue that encryption is "rights management", but watermarking is "ownership verification". After all, we are debating a user's "rights" to use the book on a different device, we which is blocked by encryption but not by watermarking. So is "rights" the right word to use when referring to watermarking? As for "wish" (desire) vs. "right" -- why, yes, I am of the camp that believes it is a right, and I state what I believe. And I believe what I believe, because the actual law is a mess of contradictions and thus impotent and incapable of providing comprehensible guidance, in addition to which the commonly-held theory of publishers upholds the pervasive idiocy that is digital special-snowflakeism. |
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I thought that it was probably what you meant, but in a discussion such as this it's really helpful if we can use words correctly, otherwise we end up in a position where we can misunderstand one another. As you are perfectly well aware, "digital rights management" refers to a whole raft of different things; it's not synonymous with encryption, and it's misleading to use it as if it were so. When people say things like "I'm against DRM, but I'm OK with watermarking" it's rather nonsensical.
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So, why would a digital 'object' be traceable back to me? Last edited by Katsunami; 06-27-2016 at 03:14 PM. |
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You presumably accept, though, that there are valid reasons for being able to trace a car back to its owner? To my mind, when something can be trivially duplicated, as digital goods can, there are valid and proper reasons for being able to tie those copies to the original purchaser. Are you aware of the hypothetical situation you describe ever having happened? The fact that people do pirate digital goods is far from hypothetical; it happens every day, and there are (IMHO) compelling reasons for being able to trace the origin of such items.
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