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Old 04-12-2009, 08:26 PM   #16
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I searched L'Amant de Lady Chatterley on Amazon.fr, and it's ranked here, as Brokeback Moutain... French exception ? Or US one ?
If this is due to Kindle, I'm pretty happy we can't buy it on Amazon.fr !!!
So I can without hesitation continue to buy on Amazon.fr !
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:27 PM   #17
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This seems to be much ado about nothing. Gay and lesbian books are being taken off the sales rankings along with other adult material. So what? The only complain I can see is that the standards aren't evenly applied amongst adult books.

Brokeback Mountain is easily findable. I got lots of hits when I searched for 'Gay and lesbian', and I didn't have any anti-gay/cure-gayness books on the first search page, unlike what some folks have reported.

If you can easily find the material you're looking for, and purchase it, that isn't censorship in my book. And I'd prefer to not have my kids browsing lists in Amazon and find adult material, gay or not. Heck, I'd rather not browse through it myself.

I don't see how that's different from a brick and mortar store. The bestseller lists are Amazon's equivalent of the hardback tables at the front of a Barnes and Noble. I don't tend to see adult material there either - but if I want to find erotica, gay/lesbian studies, or other adult material, I know where to find them.
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:31 PM   #18
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I searched L'Amant de Lady Chatterley on Amazon.fr, and it's ranked here, as Brokeback Moutain... French exception ? Or US one ?
If this is due to Kindle, I'm pretty happy we can't buy it on Amazon.fr !!!
So I can without hesitation continue to buy on Amazon.fr !
It's not due to the Kindle.
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:42 PM   #19
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I really don't get Amazon are they purposely trying to alienate their customers? Seriously, if I weren't already irked over their banning accounts without notification ahead of time, their closed DRM system, and stuff this would be a big reason to go elsewhere to buy books. I'm so disgusted with them right now it's not even funny.
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Jezebel has a list of some of the books here:
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Apparently they've unranked books on 'sexuality and the disabled'. Jesus! Fail, fail, fail, fail. I don't care what they do now, they've lost my business for good.
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This seems to be much ado about nothing. Gay and lesbian books are being taken off the sales rankings along with other adult material. So what? The only complain I can see is that the standards aren't evenly applied amongst adult books.
Beyond the CENSORSHIP issue the problem is that not all adult books are being unranked. and they are un-ranking YA books, non-fiction titles, and an assortment of books based on subject not actual content.

Laurell K Hamilton is still ranked and no one can tell me her later books aren't more hardcore than Annie Proulx Brokeback Mountain. Hell I think Playboy still has a rank. http://www.amazon.com/Playboy-Comple...9583738&sr=8-1

As far as I'm concerned this is a completely valid complaint because basically by unranked "adult" materials they make it so that when people search for a topic the unranked titles don't show up.
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Here's a list of unranked titles.

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Old 04-12-2009, 09:24 PM   #25
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Amazon is now claiming it was a "glitch."

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Old 04-12-2009, 09:30 PM   #26
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This seems to be much ado about nothing. Gay and lesbian books are being taken off the sales rankings along with other adult material. So what? The only complain I can see is that the standards aren't evenly applied amongst adult books.
Having read through some of the comments on the other blogs, what they're saying is that by pulling the ratings, the books will not come up in a search done from the Amazon Home page. What was also said on the other blogs was that the same search will bring up results from the "Books" search page.

On the DearAuthor.com page, many of the people with concerns are actually the authors of some of these adult and/or gay love stories - and in researching the problem, they've been finding how it's spread. At least a couple of the posters said that they'd been watching their own rankings throughout the day since the first "tweets", and saw their rating eventually pulled - so there's no real way to know if Amazon is done yet. So suddenly, a search from the home page by the author's name comes up with no matches.

And there also seems to be some discrepancies between various versions - the hardback "And Tango Makes Three" comes up on the main page, but the paperback won't. Either will come up on the books page.

The other thing that has come to mind is that sometime last year, Fictionwise took the "adult" books off the main "new ebooks" page. However, there's a clear link at the bottom of the page to the adult books. So Fictionwise found a way to compromise between those who didn't want to sift through the adult titles when searching out new ebooks, and those who do. I didn't hear any complaining at all when that happened either.

Amazon does have the right to do as they please (within the law, of course). And I would suspect this wasn't done capriciously - they must have gotten enough complaints to make them take this step. However, the people who are feelings that their lives, their livelihoods, or just their tastes (erotic romance) are being marginalized or hidden also have a right to be angry and choose not to patronize Amazon, too.

It seems to me, Amazon was way too heavy handed in its handling of this. How hard would it have been to include an additional link for those who want to include adult/gay books in their search?
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This seems to be much ado about nothing. Gay and lesbian books are being taken off the sales rankings along with other adult material. So what?
Really? Heather Has Two Mommies (aimed at 2-6 year olds) is adult and deserves to have its sales rank removed?
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Ah, whitearrow posted while I was busily typing. I'm not sure I believe it, but I think it's smart move on Amazon's part to back down from the decision.
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Amazon should have have a Show Adult Items checkbox you can use in your account.

but them taking adult content off the best books list doesnt hurt my feelings and i dont care, they are a store, they can rank their items however they want.

"erotic romance" books are just girl porn, and porn titles are hidden too on many stores..

In fact having the (show me adult content) check box, might even increase sales of erotica
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Really? Heather Has Two Mommies (aimed at 2-6 year olds) is adult and deserves to have its sales rank removed?
im sure someone just got a little too happy with the banhammer on that one
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