04-15-2009, 01:22 PM | #61 | |
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It generally happens to me when people say "sorry, this data does not mix well with my dogma; as such, I will not consider it relevant". Whether this is about "data" in the strict sense, or just anecdotes/logical observations does not really matter, but I've noticed that while there are some who are at least willing to consider it, others just ignore what you say and keep repeating themselves over and over in the hope that you'll give up, so that they can feel that "they've won". The latter group annoys me greatly, as I don't understand at all what they hope to gain from partaking in a conversation. The whole point of "discussion" is exchange of ideas, not mutually stating positions and leaving it at that. Admittedly some ideas are hard to back up with "evidence" of any kind, but to most ideas/positions/statements a whole host of things are (sometimes indirectly) relevant, and these can usually be found using Google or Wikipedia. Furthermore, the only way to convince people is by giving them reasons to do so, not by telling them "another viewpoint exists", because the only thing that follows from not being able to produce any arguments to support whatever claim you're making is that the standpoint is apparently rationally indefensible, and wholly dependent on faith (of some sort or other). I hate it when people do that. PS. Xenophon: you're welcome as long as you're listening (and likewise) PPS: Duty Calls: Last edited by zerospinboson; 04-16-2009 at 05:35 AM. |
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04-15-2009, 07:26 PM | #63 |
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04-15-2009, 10:09 PM | #64 |
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Yep... I'd say your position on that was pretty clear...
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04-15-2009, 11:06 PM | #65 | |
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To comment on the highlighted portion above about the pirates, both your either and or examples are probably correct to one degree or another, but whichever way we may interpret the cause to be, they're still pirates, committing an act that is illegal throughout the world (if I'm not mistaken.) In this case "point of view" has little bearing on the reporting of the act itself, and in MY personal view does not give them license to commit these crimes no matter what their excuses may be. No amount of media spin can make them out to be anything less than the criminals they are. But I guess this is and a subject for a different thread. Sorry for straying. |
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04-16-2009, 05:12 AM | #66 |
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My experience (and surprise) w/ --numerous-- US friends is hearing "you French are forever bickering w/ your spouses !" --and the original happenstance was : I expressed a disagreement w/ my wife in public (in their presence)...
My (our) belief is : my couple is solid enough to take a dose of expressed disagreement; whereas (it seems) my US counterpart instantly interprets expressing disagreement (in public?) as a threat to their couple ? Rings any bells ? |
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04-16-2009, 10:49 AM | #69 |
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Yeh, but maybe it's not such a good idea to wander down too many roads at once. Often a different yet interesting subject is posted by someone but lost for discussion because the fixation of the moment is on other topics (i.e., healthcare, education.) Sometimes if it's worth talking about, it's worth moving to another time and place.
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04-16-2009, 11:29 AM | #70 | |
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I personally don't mind overhearing conversations - it comes and goes as the traffic flows (in a mall, for example). However, disagreements in a public place can (for me) be disconcerting. I think it depends upon the level of disagreement, which seems to coincide with the rise of one's voice. I fully appreciate (and agree with you) when you talk about a "discussion" in a theatre or at a restaurant. I've often told people to please be quiet and that's usually enough to "shock" the couple into realizing that they're being rude in a place where quiet (a theatre, for example) is a necessity. Don |
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04-16-2009, 04:47 PM | #73 |
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Sorry... I was speaking of other threads in the Conservatory section... not this particular thread!
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