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Old 12-01-2019, 04:29 AM   #1
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Just because the title is identical doesn't make books duplicates.

Calibre 4.5 on Windows mis-identifies "Convergence" by C. J. Cherryh and "Convergence" by Alex Albrinck as duplicates.

ALL of the metadata is of course different. Shouldn't it be looking at more than simply the title when dropping books onto it?
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When calibre detects there's already a book with the same title it shows the existing book's author(s) and allows the user to make a decision as to what to do about it - via a check box.

If the author names are different, not misspelt, and not pseudonymous one would typically tick the check box to proceed with the add, otherwise one would untick the check box and 'investigate'.

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Calibre 4.5 on Windows mis-identifies "Convergence" by C. J. Cherryh and "Convergence" by Alex Albrinck as duplicates.
This has been calibre's default for years. It is a flag to give the user a chance to determine the truth before proceeding with adding the book.
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When Calibre (and a lot of others) pop a warning: It is notifying the user that something MAY need attention.
It is not the decision maker. The user is. (I cringe when I hear user requests to 'just make it so' and don't bother me. CNET had a series Auto-Incorrect. )
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When Calibre (and a lot of others) pop a warning: It is notifying the user that something MAY need attention.
It is not the decision maker. The user is. (I cringe when I hear user requests to 'just make it so' and don't bother me. CNET had a series Auto-Incorrect. )
How correct you are. I collect a lot of old pulp stories from magazines in the early 1900s. The number of reprints of the same story, or variations, with different author names is surprising. Often I'll want multiple copies of a story just for the artwork and the history. The LAST thing I'd want is the duplicate warning making any decisions for me!
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Old 12-01-2019, 09:44 PM   #6
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Well for two totally different books for where the *only thing* identical is the title I'd think treating them as different and adding both would be perfectly fine.
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Old 12-01-2019, 10:48 PM   #7
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In the mystery/thriller world, there are certain titles that get used over and over:

https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=ti...ced&dblist=638

I wonder what is the most common book title.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:03 AM   #8
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I have 8 ebooks All the Same Title But Different Authors. You think the Authors could come up with some thing different..
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Hey, I have a number books that use the same Series name that are NOT related
(and many Series that are shared between Authors)

And what about Author names that are the same as others?

Sorting this out is why we exist
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I have 8 ebooks All the Same Title But Different Authors. You think the Authors could come up with some thing different..
if only titles could be copyrighted.....

I assume author names sort of are, in that you cant publish a book by XXXXXX if that author name is already claimed

I wonder what the most duplicated title is? Can anyone beat 8 ?
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"A World Lost" as a title, or part of a title, looks to be pretty common. I have a paperback of the one by James B. Johnson. https://www.amazon.com/World-Lost-Ja.../dp/0886774985

Funny thing about that one was for quite some time some online book sites had James B. Johnson as the author of books by someone else who also wrote a book titled "A World Lost", or they listed Johnson's book as being by some other guy.

Rusty Wallace, from the planet D'Earnhardt (yes, it was settled by NASCAR fanatics) returns home to find his home planet missing. I found it to be pretty good, except for the ending, which is rather silly.
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Authors can have the same name, though often avoid it. Goodreads/Amazon will often incorrectly return illustrators, photographers or whatever in a Author search.

Samuel Clemens deliberately used a previously used pen name, Mark Twain, arguing that as the previous author was dead, he had no need of it!

It would be terrible if titles could be copyrighted. Big Corporations would try to own them. They do make bogus attempts to copyright phrases and character names.
Obviously it's a form of plagiarism if you have an English boy wizard called Harry Potter. It's not if he's an American Private Investigator with no magic.

Series names can be reused.

Marvel and DC (originally Detective) have tried to use legal threats to have superhero and superman. Unless you are copying a specific character the threats are bogus.

Both terms with various spacing & hyphens predate the foundation of those comics.

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Marvel and DC have a joint trademark on the term "superhero" for comic books and some other things. Must have been a real dumb or gullible judge that allowed it to stand when it was challenged.
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It's a valid trademark but not enforceable. That's why Kleenex is a made up word, easier to enforce.
No one can stop you calling your mutants, aliens or bio-engineered humans "superheroes". You can't have a superhero character in a blue suit with cape and underpants on top called "Superman", but you can have some other extraordinary superman who is also a superhero, as long as he's not called Clark Kent and couldn't be argued to be a copy of the well known comic book character, who you'd be MAD to copy anyway even if it was public domain.
Part of Larry Niven's thoughts. Full text has been on the Internet since 1986, I don't know if Larry Niven ever agreed to make it PD, easily found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of...man_of_Kleenex

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Must have been a real dumb or gullible judge that allowed it to stand when it was challenged.
The USPTO is the most broken in the world. They make money from approvals, not rejections and don't do due diligence. The system favours the larger US company.
Also the DMCA, DRM and extension of copyright years after death (retrospectively!) is nothing to do with revenue for creators, or their family when they die, but purely due to US Corporate lobbying, esp. Disney and the greed of big US media "owners/publishers".
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The DC Marvel trademark is why movies like "The Incredibles" call them "supers" or "mutants" or whatever other word that gets used other than superhero or superheros.

For an extremely awful abuse of trademark laws, look up World Wildlife Fund VS World Wrestling Federation. The animal outfit argued the wrestling outfit's use of the letters "WWF" was confusing and "forced" them to always have to spell out their full World Wildlife Fund name and use their panda bear logo so people wouldn't confuse them with the wrasslers.

Um, no. It's the various countries trademark laws that force companies and organizations to use their trademarked names and logos. Non-use eventually gets deemed to be abandonment of trademark.

But the animal WWF prevailed and the people WWF was forced to change their name to World Wrestling Entertainment and change their logo. They may only use their old name and old logo in reproductions of old video programs where it was said and displayed as part of the show.

What should have happened was the critter outfit having their suit dismissed with such speed it would have left the courtroom on fire.
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